Chapter 34 It Only Takes One Part 3

[Pillars]

I'm personally a little interested in the abandonded hummer....when/why/how etc....

I'm not sure if someone has said this yet. But in Red Winter 3 Puck comments on the "guys we lost in Newberry didn't get this sort of treatment" Michael replies "it's kinda hard when we couldn't find most of them."

[wh33t]

I'm not sure if someone has said this yet. But in Red Winter 3 Puck comments on the "guys we lost in Newberry didn't get this sort of treatment" Michael replies "it's kinda hard when we couldn't find most of them."

Where is Newberry in relation to Boulder?

[Cabbage Patch]

Where is Newberry in relation to Boulder?

The Newberry in question is south and east of Fort Irwin in Southern California. More than 1,000 miles from Boulder.

[Pillars]

It is where Datu was when he found the hummer and where the soldiers Puck and Michael were talking about got overrun.

[Pillars]

Nik you agree with hummer in Newberry and the conversation between Puck and Mike in 33-3 connection?

[nikvoodoo]

Dont see why not. I had forgotten puck mentioned that.

[werewolf]

The latest episode. Makes me believe that Michael is being court marshaled for his actions. The whole thing is leading up to where Datu fixes the pelican. Then Michael and the chopper pilot ( i forgot his name.) takes off and flies to find Pegs and Kelly. Then they head on down to the colony to help out the gang down there. The one thing that just popped in my head is when Michael said in chapter 29 that he idiot that he let her go. Makes me think that Pegs and Kelly didn't survive the blast.
Riley's voice sounded different in this episode.

[stat]

The latest episode. Makes me believe that Michael is being court marshaled for his actions. The whole thing is leading up to where Datu fixes the pelican. Then Michael and the chopper pilot ( i forgot his name.) takes off and flies to find Pegs and Kelly. Then they head on down to the colony to help out the gang down there. The one thing that just popped in my head is when Michael said in chapter 29 that he idiot that he let her go. Makes me think that Pegs and Kelly didn't survive the blast.
I like the theory that he's being court marshaled. However, we know that Michael keeps a log of events that have occurred, which throws the nature his statement about his idiocy into doubt. In scenario one (aka the Fiveshadowing), Michael adds the comment about being an idiot much later after Pegs leaves/after he knows that she is dead (this scenario contributes to theories like: it's a court marshal, Charlie Brown and the last man alive (http://theinfosphere.org/The_Scary_Door#The_Last_Man_on_Earth).) Scenario two states that Michael wrote that he was an idiot the next time he updated his log (not long after her departure.) In this scenario, that comment could either be a fiveshadowing or a red herring. It's difficult because we don't hear Michael express emotions often. So, that line stands out because it seems to be expressing guilt, anger and a degree of powerlessness. And it's the latter that really makes it hard for me to place it. I think of Michael as a "take charge" kind of person. But we've definitely seen a more passive side to him, especially since he arrived at Fort Irwin.
The fact that we haven't heard from Kegs might mean that we're getting some emotional distance from the characters before they're revealed to be dead or it might mean that they're out there, still kicking. Or we're getting some distance now so that their story can be told later and my elation at hearing Pegs' voice will be that much more ironic when they are revealed to be dead.

(I really love that line, while both ruing and lamenting its existence, because it could support a bunch of different theories.)

[Bullethead]

I don't really foresee a Court-marshal strictly because its a world gone mad. They just lossed upwards of 7000 soldiers. You need every man you can get.

Possible punishment, if any, demotion or death by firing squad. But I think getting his stripes torn off his shirt will do little to nothing in the world they currently live in.

Just my opinions, but I will be looking forward to see what Kimmet does having such dissension in his ranks. My guess is he will just get all emo about all the things that have gone wrong under his watch. Michael will get him to snap out of it by telling him what he told Robbins. "you can't control all that" etc.

Kimmet has to be on the verge of breaking. He lossed his daughter, lossed Boulder, even Puck said "probably crapping his pants about now, never lead anything like this before". He is in over his head now and its moments like these where people like Michael ultimately take control of the situation and the former leads (Kimmet) allow someone else to clean up their mess.

[UndeadSweeper]

I don't really foresee a Court-marshal strictly because its a world gone mad. They just lossed upwards of 7000 soldiers. You need every man you can get.

Possible punishment, if any, demotion or death by firing squad. But I think getting his stripes torn off his shirt will do little to nothing in the world they currently live in.

Just my opinions, but I will be looking forward to see what Kimmet does having such dissension in his ranks. My guess is he will just get all emo about all the things that have gone wrong under his watch. Michael will get him to snap out of it by telling him what he told Robbins. "you can't control all that" etc.

Kimmet has to be on the verge of breaking. He lossed his daughter, lossed Boulder, even Puck said "probably crapping his pants about now, never lead anything like this before". He is in over his head now and its moments like these where people like Michael ultimately take control of the situation and the former leads (Kimmet) allow someone else to clean up their mess.

Wouldn't Kimmet be court martial first, him not listening to his Intel Officer cause this whole mess. His Intel rep told him not to send the body to Boulder and he ignored him.


Sidenote: Your signature remind me of the movie Twister: "There a cow. And there another cow. Nope, that the same cow."

[Bullethead]

Sidenote: Your signature remind me of the movie Twister: "There a cow. And there another cow. Nope, that the same cow."

One of my favorite movies haha. My sig was just a little Re-Write of Michael's favorite saying

[Kc]

The Newberry in question is south and east of Fort Irwin in Southern California. More than 1,000 miles from Boulder.

Oh! from Boulder. Ok. For a second there I thought you said 1,000 miles from Irwin. I was like, no it's 50... ;) Nevermind.

[Hoff4D]

or the fact that he's black. black people have more melanin in their skin which reflects sunlight, so he would be more suited to a sunnier, and warmer, environment than say a colder climate where it also tends to be cloudier, and where he would be more susceptible to sun deprivation based illness. on the reverse, us white folk can better live in places with a lot of cloud cover, because we have less skin pigment and absorb more sunlight, making better use of the time when the sun is actually out. germany, for my brief years there, was cloudy like, all the time, and also pretty cold. then again, some people just don't like the cold

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[Hoff4D]

Wouldn't Kimmet be court martial first, him not listening to his Intel Officer cause this whole mess. His Intel rep told him not to send the body to Boulder and he ignored him.


Sidenote: Your signature remind me of the movie Twister: "There a cow. And there another cow. Nope, that the same cow."

I gotta go honey, we got cows....

[Cabbage Patch]

...when describing Saul, Michael says he came from the mountain division....couldn't handle the cold...

Don't forget that Saul is originally from Los Angeles. As a fellow Californian I can confirm that you can grow up here and never, ever experience truly cold weather. In my case I left California when I joined the Army and suffered during every winter I was away. Kentucky and Texas were bad. Germany was brutal. I could not have handled living in Buffalo, where the "Mountain Division" that Saul was assigned to is based.

As far as the weather at The Colony, it wouldn't be significantly different from the weather in Downtown LA.

[nikvoodoo]

Don't forget that Saul is originally from Los Angeles. As a fellow Californian I can confirm that you can grow up here and never, ever experience truly cold weather. In my case I left California when I joined the Army and suffered during every winter I was away. Kentucky and Texas were bad. Germany was brutal. I could not have handled living in Buffalo, where the "Mountain Division" that Saul was assigned to is based.

As far as the weather at The Colony, it wouldn't be significantly different from the weather in Downtown LA.

As a former resident of the Great White Western NY I won't say our weather was insane, but I once was out mowing my lawn while a short hour drive away my girlfriend at the time who lived in Buffalo was buried under 6 feet of snow and had no power.

[IamPaul]

Does anyone think that Iriwin might get blowed up at some point and we will end up back in LA, where it all began? Michael goes and saves Datu and Hope. On their way back they are notified that Iriwn is getting overrun and Kimmet orders evac and detonation of Irwin. Kimmet stays behind to set off the nuke(because his daughter is dead, he has got nothing left). Michael stops at one of the checkpoints to rescue Tanya and low and behold Pegs and Kelly are there with Riley. They book it out of there with the Pelican back to LA, where the location of the sat phone call came from.

[LiamKerrington]

Mh. Not sure ... We have the nuke, we have plenty of Little Ones approaching ... At least it would not be too farfetched. But I am not sure if there is a real need for blasting Irwin anyway ...
About Kimmet ... Mh. Really hard to tell. I consider him being a person capable of putting a bullet into his head; but I am not so sure anymore. He is way too egoistic and wishywashy to play 'the honorable proud captain' with nuking Irwin while staying back there; more likely he would get away and ignite the big boom from the safe distance ... Still: it is hard to tell. I get no feeling for this character.

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

Does anyone think that Iriwin might get blowed up at some point and we will end up back in LA, where it all began? Michael goes and saves Datu and Hope. On their way back they are notified that Iriwn is getting overrun and Kimmet orders evac and detonation of Irwin. Kimmet stays behind to set off the nuke(because his daughter is dead, he has got nothing left). Michael stops at one of the checkpoints to rescue Tanya and low and behold Pegs and Kelly are there with Riley. They book it out of there with the Pelican back to LA, where the location of the sat phone call came from.

It is really hard to tell. On the Michael says he is done with Kimmet, on the another hand he feels responsable (at least to a certain degree) to the people arriving at Fort Irwin. In this situation, it depends on who is on the sat phone and if the remaining troops at Fort Irwin are able to deal with the zombies. But hell yeah, we will go back to LA, that is for sure.

However, if Kimmet orders the evacuation of Fort Irwin, where will everyone go? The colony? I doubt that it is able to support such a large group of new arrivals. I still do not get it why so many people think that the colony is a safe haven.

[Nedjema]

That's one of them (that was my "possibly" one I had thought of last night when I posted this question). But there's one huge one left.

The burt torture scene. I'm with you, nik, I think burt is going to die. Bricks is dead, and probably wouldn't tell all the gory details to a pregnant, emotional lizzie. So that leaves... scratch?

[IamPaul]

The burt torture scene. I'm with you, nik, I think burt is going to die. Bricks is dead, and probably wouldn't tell all the gory details to a pregnant, emotional lizzie. So that leaves... scratch?

I dunno. I think Bricks could have told Lizzie. He seemed to cave to her pretty easily. I guess we will find out shortly. But I think the twist of either the finale or next season will be Scratch joining up with the main group. Maybe she is on her death bed and tells all or legitimately joins the group.

[Witch_Doctor]

Hey, anyone else wonder what happened to the body of Inkling #2? Seems like it would be too dangerous to just toss into the trash. I wonder if it will play a roll later in the story. Does Tanya get to the brain?

[Hoff4D]

Don't forget that Saul is originally from Los Angeles. As a fellow Californian I can confirm that you can grow up here and never, ever experience truly cold weather. In my case I left California when I joined the Army and suffered during every winter I was away. Kentucky and Texas were bad. Germany was brutal. I could not have handled living in Buffalo, where the "Mountain Division" that Saul was assigned to is based.

As far as the weather at The Colony, it wouldn't be significantly different from the weather in Downtown LA.

Truth be told, I was just being an ass....the time between episodes can drive a man to insanity, so as to keep the forum pumping, I threw some randomness into the void, and the forum did not disappoint...

[Blues_127]

Theres only a few ways zombpocolypse can end okay, and the Brooksian way is very rare. We're either going to end with the last two human survivors left on Earth walking off into a progressivly dim sunset, or everyones gonna die, but thats okay, cause the chopper that was gonna get them off the mall didn't have the fuel anyway. I've got a bit of the same problem, in that this episode really does kinda put the nail in humanity. We are watching an extinction. Thats how Zombpocolypses end, generally. We keep listening for the characters, to know why this is happening, but yes, humanity is done unless theres another mass wrinkle, and thats a long shot. This will not end well, and I'm not talking rainbows and sunshine, I'm taking about Michael not eating his gun after getting all the journals together in a library with no one left to read them.Maybe this belongs in the theories thread... but I think we are going to find a natural resistance exampled by Saul & his mom. Remember the vapors at ground zero? and the fact that the Army (what's left of it) kept waiting for her to turn... but obviously she hasn't. We'll see if they don't come across more...

[LiamKerrington]

Maybe this belongs in the theories thread... but I think we are going to find a natural resistance exampled by Saul & his mom. Remember the vapors at ground zero? and the fact that the Army (what's left of it) kept waiting for her to turn... but obviously she hasn't. We'll see if they don't come across more...

The "natural resistance" has one flaw ... Do the survivors have the means to "engineer" something to either protect the remaining survivors or to deploy as biological weapon against 'em zeehs? If neither is the case, what would be the point in having to zeeh-resistance humans?
Laboratories in Boulder are no more. Would the medical facility in Irwin be sufficient for such a task? I have some doubts. And the 'hospital' in The Colony? I doubt it. Maybe the hopsital in L.A. would be the place to go for ... But it is held by the zeehs as far as we know ...

[Blues_127]

The "natural resistance" has one flaw ... Do the survivors have the means to "engineer" something to either protect the remaining survivors or to deploy as biological weapon against 'em zeehs? If neither is the case, what would be the point in having to zeeh-resistance humans?
Laboratories in Boulder are no more. Would the medical facility in Irwin be sufficient for such a task? I have some doubts. And the 'hospital' in The Colony? I doubt it. Maybe the hopsital in L.A. would be the place to go for ... But it is held by the zeehs as far as we know ... In terms of survival of the human race... you don't need a lab. You just need to make babies. And protect them for about 10 years or so. Easy. :)

I see your point though. It depends on the nature of the resistence. If it is as easy as injesting local honey, or if it requires major biological engineering.

[Pillars]

Hey, anyone else wonder what happened to the body of Inkling #2? Seems like it would be too dangerous to just toss into the trash. I wonder if it will play a roll later in the story. Does Tanya get to the brain?

I think the details of the x-rays and/or brain scans of #2 will come into play at some point. Kimmet letting Tanya out of her cage is almost hinting at something may happen where Michael needs Tanya to get out of Irwin and tag along to LA like someone mentioned earlier. And also the details of the autopsy we already know doesn't seem too substantial, where as X-rays or brain scans should hold much more value and maybe even a twist...

[Hoff4D]

In terms of survival of the human race... you don't need a lab. You just need to make babies. And protect them for about 10 years or so. Easy. :)

I see your point though. It depends on the nature of the resistence. If it is as easy as injesting local honey, or if it requires major biological engineering.

Well, we also have key points in the storyline that show Tanya and Saul with the medicine....this leaves quite the breadcrumb trail for a possible vaccination, but perhaps not a cure.....While I think the natural resistance is plausible, I'm thinking the antibiotics theory has a bit more backing it

[Pillars]

Well, we also have key points in the storyline that show Tanya and Saul with the medicine....this leaves quite the breadcrumb trail for a possible vaccination, but perhaps not a cure.....While I think the natural resistance is plausible, I'm thinking the antibiotics theory has a bit more backing it

Do you think Tanya used the same antibiotics on others (ex. the slow turner) that she used on Saul and herself? I know she said that there wasn't a plentiful supply, but she probably tried them once or twice on others that eventually turned.

[Blues_127]

Hopefully Tanya being out will help explore this... I can see the bread crumbs do seem to be pointing to the Meds... I imagine she was experimenting with doses, combo's etc. so it is a definate possibility she used the antibiotics on others... but I imagine she wouldn't repeat with her son the exact process she used with others that ended up turning.

[Hoff4D]

Hopefully Tanya being out will help explore this... I can see the bread crumbs do seem to be pointing to the Meds... I imagine she was experimenting with doses, combo's etc. so it is a definate possibility she used the antibiotics on others... but I imagine she wouldn't repeat with her son the exact process she used with others that ended up turning.

But she would repeat the process she used on herself that apparently kept her from turning, that she prolly mixed in a moment of panic and seems to have worked thus far....no?

[Blues_127]

I concur. Just thiking, maybe even over kill on TOP of that. It is one thing to be stingy and use up all the supplies for something you don't even know if it will work for your self... for your kid: 0 hesitation. Givem all we got!

[Witch_Doctor]

Do you think Tanya used the same antibiotics on others (ex. the slow turner) that she used on Saul and herself? I know she said that there wasn't a plentiful supply, but she probably tried them once or twice on others that eventually turned.

Yes, she actually says that the antibiotics were tried on the slow turner in Chapter 20. Also, note that she goes straight for the most powerful antibiotics she had available instead of building up to it with others. Another breadcrumb is CJ's suspiscion that the drugs have something to do with Saul's immunity at Ground Zero. Also supporting the drug solution is the fact that we have not seen evidence of anyone else being immune other than Saul and Tanya.

[Hoff4D]

Yes, she actually says that the antibiotics were tried on the slow turner in Chapter 20. Also, note that she goes straight for the most powerful antibiotics she had available instead of building up to it with others. Another breadcrumb is CJ's suspiscion that the drugs have something to do with Saul's immunity at Ground Zero. Also supporting the drug solution is the fact that we have not seen evidence of anyone else being immune other than Saul and Tanya.

Yea, I think based on her having the cut/bite and not turning, her experiments, going right for the gusto on Saul, AND CJ's questioning of it, that she's found these drugs can stave off the onset of the virus, and others seem to only delay it. Perhaps she thinks/knows its only a matter of time before her/her son can turn based on the strength of the medicine....that seems more plausible than the natural resistance to me. Again, based on the breadcrumbs thus far

[Pillars]

I'm betting that if the scavengers at the colony got their hands on those paticular meds with the time and areas available to them, then the hands of ft. Irwin can stretch further and retrieve more. That may even be a reason to go back to the hospital in LA. They would probably try other hospitals first but there has to be a fair amount of those meds in the southwest U.S alone.

[LiamKerrington]

I may be wrong, but my memory tells me that Tanya tried the hardcore meds on the slow turner and realized the meds wouldn't stop him from turning.
And even if this understand is wrong, even with this special antibiotics there is the problem with producing enough of it and using it on turned humans ...

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

I may be wrong, but my memory tells me that Tanya tried the hardcore meds on the slow turner and realized the meds wouldn't stop him from turning.
And even if this understand is wrong, even with this special antibiotics there is the problem with producing enough of it and using it on turned humans ...

Sounds plausible. Tanya's and Saul's immunity could have been caused just by their genes. See:
http://digitaljournal.com/article/307120

If there *IS* actually an antidote, then the question arises, why anyone should deploy the Zeeh-virus around the world, when he is not just a quite frustrated member of a Doomsday sect.

Until now, I alway assumed the zombiecalypse to be the result of an experiment that utterly failed. But this would oppose the antidote's existence, would it not?

[lr42186]

What if it's a combination of the two ideas? i.e Tanya's line has some level of resistance/immunity, but would still be at risk of turning when bit without the kickass antibiotics.

[LiamKerrington]

What if it's a combination of the two ideas? i.e Tanya's line has some level of resistance/immunity, but would still be at risk of turning when bit without the kickass antibiotics.

Good point.

[CoolPat7]

What if it's a combination of the two ideas? i.e Tanya's line has some level of resistance/immunity, but would still be at risk of turning when bit without the kickass antibiotics.

That sounds very plausible. Sadly if this is true, it would make some very dramatic scenes, everyone fighting trying to get hold of Tanya and/or Saul to try and find a cure

[Hoff4D]

I may be wrong, but my memory tells me that Tanya tried the hardcore meds on the slow turner and realized the meds wouldn't stop him from turning.
And even if this understand is wrong, even with this special antibiotics there is the problem with producing enough of it and using it on turned humans ...

I don't think she ever said what she tried specifically....and just based on my assumtions from listening this is how it happened in my brain

She got someone bit, gave them antibiotic #1.....they lasted a few days before turning

got another bit, gave them antibiotic #2....they lasted a week before turning

She got bit/scratched, decided two is better than one and administered the molotov cocktail to herself in haste to try and buy time, but has seemingly fought it off until now.....She chalked that up as a win and gave it to Saul as her pressumed vaccination.

And i think there is a clear difference in antidote vs vaccination. As in the meds must be administered before the person has turned, if its given after, I don't think it will reverse the affects. So it's only a vaccine, not an antidote....and Tanya hasn't pressed forward with her theory because they were such ridiculous strong meds that she knows there is not an abundance of them...


Again, this is all TOTAL speculation...I don't necessarily have any evidence to back it up...Because in all honesty, if she even had an idea that she found the vaccine, wouldn't she tell SOMEone at Ft. Irwin to try and get her hands on the stuff and make more?....especially michael?

[LiamKerrington]

I don't think she ever said what she tried specifically....and just based on my assumtions from listening this is how it happened in my brain

Tanya sais so in #20-2 when she treats Saul. She describes the stuff as the last ressort ('these two are the strongest'), and a few minutes later she sais that she tried it on one if the creatures; and as Burt asks about her having captured a zed, she clarifies the test on the slow turner ...
Maybe I stretch it a little, but to me that sounds like her having had an infected person which she tried to rescue with the "last ressort", and because she failed saving him the slow-turner was euthanized before it finsihed turning after all ... Maybe the antibiotics slowed the turning, maybe it was a genetic attribute of the victim, maybe it was both ... I think this remains a mystery for now ...

BUT: I have no recollection of Tanya having taken this mixture of anti-biotics herself ... Anyone?

All the best!
Liam

[Witch_Doctor]

BUT: I have no recollection of Tanya having taken this mixture of anti-biotics herself ... Anyone?

All the best!
Liam

No, me neither. She's not likely to mention having taken any of the drugs prior to her bite marks being discovered at Fort Irwin. If she did say something then it would reveal that she had been bitten. After her bites were discovered she doesn't mention taking any of the drugs herself, but says that she gave some to the slow turner.

[Pillars]

I could be wrong but I believe both of the meds used on Saul were for bacteria. That would give is an insight to what kind of infection they're dealing with. I know one is used to treat Malaria and even acne and the other is very very strong and its name comes from the word "vanquish". Im not sure if either could cure something in the brain though. I need to do some research.

[Pillars]

And Tanya said she tried them on the slow turner, meaning he/she was already a slow turner before the meds were administered. There is more to this than just the meds. Maybe because it was on a drip for Saul was making a difference. It was slowly added to his system over a long period of time.