Hannah Still Alive in the colony

[LongoriaN]

Another theory of mine that I might as well share since I haven’t had any comments on my other theory. I think Hannah is still alive. If you listen to scratches number of the towers “prisoners” or “people of interest” it isn’t very consistent during and after the second war. I bet CJ and Saul will find her in the colony. We’ll see how it all pans out, and this might be a bit presumptuous but…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7VBaCEHJrU


Longoria

[nikvoodoo]

Another theory of mine that I might as well share since I haven’t had any comments on my other theory. I think Hannah is still alive. If you listen to scratches number of the towers “prisoners” or “people of interest” it isn’t very consistent during and after the second war. I bet CJ and Saul will find her in the colony. We’ll see how it all pans out, and this might be a bit presumptuous but…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7VBaCEHJrU


Longoria

I do believe that following the recent uh.....civil unrest...at the Colony we are pretty much assured Hannah is no more...at least as much as we can be. Kc hasn't come out and said it, but has dropped enough clues for us to make this logical conclusion. For a while, it smelled like a red herring. Now it smells like a red head teenager with bullet hole in her head.

The final nail was definitely Durai's comment IMO.

[yarri]

She's dead, Jim....

[LongoriaN]

I'll listen again. Something is off with her head count in a couple of episodes. when I find the examples I'll post it. Maybe they have someone else?


Longoria

[LongoriaN]

Chapter 24, 21:46 Scratch says she still has two prisoners. Who's the other prisoner? Scratch knows Hannah was supposedly sent to be traded before the attack, but she still makes reference to a "second" prisoner even after the exchange was concluded. Sure, scratch didn't have communication with the exchange group, it's sort of a moot point, Scratch is written smart and KC is smart. It really sounds like Hannah was retained by scratch.

[Robzombie]

We weren't dropped clues omg we were TOLD she's done for. Just like Angel, Kilani, Charles, Paul, Pippin, Bricks, etc, etc...that's it, kapish, sionora, over and out.

[Kc]

It would be easier if I just came out and said it. Wouldn't it?

[yarri]

Chapter 24, 21:46 Scratch says she still has two prisoners. Who's the other prisoner? Scratch knows Hannah was supposedly sent to be traded before the attack, but she still makes reference to a "second" prisoner even after the exchange was concluded. Sure, scratch didn't have communication with the exchange group, it's sort of a moot point, Scratch is written smart and KC is smart. It really sounds like Hannah was retained by scratch.


durai said part of why he was pissed at her (scratch) was she had shot and killed a teenage girl.. (hannah) the second prisoner is BURT the first prisoner is Lizzie

[Witch_Doctor]

It is pretty straight forward when Scratch says 'We still have two of yours,' she does not mean Hanna. Hanna was never in the Tower.

[LongoriaN]

To Yarri: At Chapter 24, 21:46 Burt couldn't be the second prisoner because he has not been captured at this point. "some teenage girl " is pretty non descript? Wouldn't Durai know about Kalani and his efforts as a spy? Would Durai know who his daughter was? Maybe, maybe not, but if he did know it was Kalani's daughter I think Durai would have refered to her that way; instead of "some teenage girl".

[nikvoodoo]

Chapter 24, 21:46 Scratch says she still has two prisoners. Who's the other prisoner? Scratch knows Hannah was supposedly sent to be traded before the attack, but she still makes reference to a "second" prisoner even after the exchange was concluded. Sure, scratch didn't have communication with the exchange group, it's sort of a moot point, Scratch is written smart and KC is smart. It really sounds like Hannah was retained by scratch.

Second prisoner is baby Henry. Lizzy is preggers. So scratch has both the baby and Lizzy hostage. That's the second person.

[yarri]

To Yarri: At Chapter 24, 21:46 Burt couldn't be the second prisoner because he has not been captured at this point.

Regardless. Hannah wasn't part of the tower group.

[LongoriaN]

To Witch Doctor and Yarri: What do you mean straight forward? Who in your opinion is the second prisoner? In reference to Hannah never being from the tower. Scratch knows that, but she is still a bargain chip to Kalani, who IS in the tower and has not died yet. Also keep in mind that Scratch has no idea where kalani's allegiances lie. He may have told Michael everything and Kalani could be a full fledged member of the tower, with no secrets. Scratch was acting out of blindness she had no idea what he was up to, so she kept Hannah for the last minute bargaining chip against the tower. Quite dramatic if it would have worked out in scratches favor, potentially leading to a last minute fissure in the tower, "which side are you on......the mallers are at our front door.......Kalani says he's been the spy......Killed Pippn.......would you help him save his daughter?"

So you trade the two of them for pegs......

To nikvoodoo: She wasn't that pregnant at this point, keep in mind she's only been away from the tower for 4 days (according to the timeline- july 30th-Aug 2nd) and Saul or Tanya didn't notice her showing at this point. It's hard to imagine the Mallers figured it out by Aug 2nd.

[Raven]

Much as I want to believe the Scratch didn't kill her we are lead to believe it and Durai certainly does even if he did not know the connection between Kalani and Hannah.
But then KC has to go and dangle that carrot to keep this going.... o.o

[yarri]

Much as I want to believe the Scratch didn't kill her we are lead to believe it and Durai certainly does even if he did not know the connection between Kalani and Hannah.
But then KC has to go and dangle that carrot to keep this going.... o.o

I suspect K.C. has a sadistic streak at times :squint: I do.. I really really do.... :D

[DeadPixel]

Would suck if turned out that Scratch killed Hannah, when they pretended to kill Lizzy? Or whoever it was that killed the girl in Lizzy's clothing

[Raven]

I suspect K.C. has a sadistic streak at times :squint: I do.. I really really do.... :D

Someone find the Otto quote about a bottle of wine and a pen.....
I had fully written Hannah off (sadly) But the question is who would actually know who she is aside from the audience if she does show up. I can hear Nik now "It doesn't serve the story."

[yarri]

Someone find the Otto quote about a bottle of wine and a pen.....
I had fully written Hannah off (sadly) But the question is who would actually know who she is aside from the audience if she does show up. I can hear Nik now "It doesn't serve the story."

My answer to Nik.. "BAH! We wanna know"

[nikvoodoo]

To nikvoodoo: She wasn't that pregnant at this point, keep in mind she's only been away from the tower for 4 days (according to the timeline- july 30th-Aug 2nd) and Saul or Tanya didn't notice her showing at this point. It's hard to imagine the Mallers figured it out by Aug 2nd.

Scratch figured out she was pregnant in the furniture store.

[LongoriaN]

To nikvoodoo: I listened to it and didn't hear it. what time does it come up?

[nikvoodoo]

To nikvoodoo: I listened to it and didn't hear it. what time does it come up?

Chapter 20-3: 11:55-12:15

[LongoriaN]

To nikvoodoo: Sure she is sick but there is no mention of being pregnant. I think she is throwing up from what's going on at that moment, not morning sickness. Who knows what the answer is, I guess we'll find out soon. Anyone want to make bets on Hannah being alive?


longoria

[LiamKerrington]

Hi.

We only have indication of Hannah being killed. No more, no less then that.
And we only know that Kalani suicided himself to protect the Tower-folks, because he concluded the same as most of us do here.
Actually I don't consider Hannah alive anymore, because I draw pretty much the same conclusion. But I may be wrong. I rate the chances like 95% to 5%, though, that Hannah is dead. So I bet against Hannah being alive ...

All the best!
Liam

[yarri]

To nikvoodoo: Sure she is sick but there is no mention of being pregnant. I think she is throwing up from what's going on at that moment, not morning sickness. Who knows what the answer is, I guess we'll find out soon. Anyone want to make bets on Hannah being alive?


longoria

she was tossed out of the tower for falling asleep on watch. She found her self not understanding why she did it. yes sure she'd been watching saul and was tired but that type of excessive sleepiness was/is unusual and unique to all but a woman who's pregnant. (speaking from experience its a rather amazing sensation to feel your body shut down on you and then wake up oh.. 8 hours later with what ever you were doing still in your hand. Last time I was pregnant I'd fall asleep in a chair with my knitting in my hands.) That sort of exaustion happens in month 0 to 3..

Kc has already pointed out she was pregnant during that time and the vomiting was not just stress it was her being pregnant.. as the child is Sauls (which he's already confirmed) She had to be pregnant before leaving the tower as she's not had "contact" with Saul to catch being pregnant since.

Now I love Saul he's my favorite but even I must admit Saul's sperm isn't superhuman and didn't impregnate her during her captivity by the maulers via osmosis or teleportation. It happened during her time in the tower most likely just before or just after the fire

[LongoriaN]

To yarri and all readers: I guess those are strong points for the pregnant theory. But the question remains the same, Who do you think the second prisoner is? I just don't buy, that she was showing that early. She's pregnant during the gate scene, some time before (the timeline has nothing on when lizzy visited the doctor) Lizzy had a check up with the doctor. During that visit it sound pretty early in her pregnancy. The doctor determined sex and did an ultrasound, he offered no advice on how to give birth; indicating a non-imitate birth. You know you got to go over things like breathing ect. a month before birth.


If I understand you guys correctly, you think in Chapter 24 lizzy looked pregnant? You're telling me on July 30th, no one who knew lizzy, could tell she was pregnant; three days later scratch (a person who has only seen her twice "at the gas station, and throwing things from the roof") can tell Lizzy is pregnant. and in Dec she is still pregnant. Most people don't show in the first 3 months, usually as the first trimester is ending do you see a baby bump. Which would put conception at late June, and a birth of late March. Lizzy is fit and very lean, it is also possible with strong ab muscles she might not show into the second trimester. All plausible.


But I really think it's more realistic and practical to think, that the Mallers played the same trick Michael did on them. Each side brought a scouting party with a mock prisoner, and retained all their bargaining chips. Potentially even eliminating The Towers finest. The mallers have very little to lose; Micheal is forced to risk alot. Its a prisoners delimea, in the academic sense (Polly sci and Psych Majors should know).


So I open this up to everyone. Who do you think is the second prisoner?


Longoria

[LiamKerrington]

Hi there.

Short:
- Pregnancy may be recognized even by kind of unknown persons under certain circumstances.
- Hannah is the second prisoner.

If you wish to learn, why I think so, take a look at the P.S.:

All the best!
Liam

the P.S.:

Although it is somewhat ardous something more about pregnancy: Haircutter have an eye for women being pregnant, because the hair changes. My personal haircutter told me that she asked some of her customers, if they already knew, if the child is a boy or a girl, and her customers returned the question, that they had no idea about what the haircutter is asking, because they (the customers) simply were not aware about being pregnant themselves yet. The point here is: The first signs of pregnancy may be recognized only if you have certain knowledge, else the signs won't be recognized at all or totally misunderstood; and it is quite common that most people don't recognize it until being told about it.
Referring to Lizzy the signs are tiredness/ fatigue and throwing up. That is why it is very likely that most to all main characters in the Tower simply did not see this coming. Also they were used to having Lizzy around them. Therefore slight changes were not recognized like you recognize something changing rapidly.
So yes: I transfer this particular real-life knowledge into the WA-universe and only guess that this might be an applicable explenation.

And as for Scratch: Well, Scratch has a traumatized background around her first pregnancy. The awareness about signs of pregnancy supposedly was and still is a lot stronger for her, and her experiences with her own rape-based pregnancy were a lot more intense giving her a different sensitivity about pregnancy. Therefore I have no trouble about her recognizing Lizzy's situation almost immediately, because the signs spring to her eyes in an instant. Also keep in mind that she met Lizzy twice - at the tanker-theft long before Lizzy was engaged with Saul, and when capturing Lizzy after she was engaged with Saul; between both incidents some time passed and things changed a lot. So slight changes in Lizzy's demeanor, behaviour and especially her looks based on her pregnancy maybe are a lot more obvious for Scratch compared with having a person around you all the time ...
And yes: This is just the result of interpretation based upon run-away-psychology.

But both explanations help me understanding and accepting the situation as it is right now. If you ask for the literally wording within the WA-show, I feel inclined to tell you that I cannot support my thoughts based on lines of the WA story. So there is no log-/diary-entry or mono-/dialogue telling us: The Tower-folk did not recognize it, because they were ust stupid, while Scratch has x-ray- and ultra-sound-eyes seeing the fetus grow in Lizzy's belly ...

About the second prisoner: When Scratch anounced two prisoners, I considered Hannah being the second one - after the Kalani backstory; before that it left me just curious and riddled, why Scratch said this. And since Scratch knew that Kalani was with The Tower-folks, she indirectly addressed the second prisoner at Kalani in order to press the issues and make especially him understand what was at stakes wishing that he again would betray people to save his daughter ...
But since The Mallers captured many different people we don't know, if it could be any random one else. Scratch is a mastress (master) of deceit and spinning words in her favor, while she denies dignity for almost any human being (except maybe for John, Henry and herself) by torturing and hostaging people; and it is not even unlikely that she only meant to put The Tower-folks under more stress by making them wonder: 'Who was the second prisoner? Did we loose someone else?' But considering this and comparing it with her pressurizing medium against Kalani I consider the Hannah-theory as being the more likely one.

[nikvoodoo]

No we are not saying she looked pregnant. All we've been saying to you is scratch figured it out, she told the tower but no one could put two and two together.

Remember, she went from tar can rape you until his balls fall off, to recognizing she was sick, to removing her handcuffs and setting bricks as her personal body guard. Only one circumstance changed: lizzy being sick.

[yarri]

To yarri and all readers: I guess those are strong points for the pregnant theory. But the question remains the same, Who do you think the second prisoner is? I just don't buy, that she was showing that early. She's pregnant during the gate scene, some time before (the timeline has nothing on when lizzy visited the doctor) Lizzy had a check up with the doctor. During that visit it sound pretty early in her pregnancy. The doctor determined sex and did an ultrasound, he offered no advice on how to give birth; indicating a non-imitate birth. You know you got to go over things like breathing ect. a month before birth.

The doctor that did the ultrasound was a dentist. So the reason why she didn't offer any advice on child birth is cause well dentists deal with teeth not babies. She, the dentist had figured out how to use the ultrasound machine cause if she hadn't Scratch with her amazing people persuasion skills would have shot her in the head....



If I understand you guys correctly, you think in Chapter 24 lizzy looked pregnant? You're telling me on July 30th, no one who knew lizzy, could tell she was pregnant; three days later scratch (a person who has only seen her twice "at the gas station, and throwing things from the roof") can tell Lizzy is pregnant. and in Dec she is still pregnant. Most people don't show in the first 3 months, usually as the first trimester is ending do you see a baby bump. Which would put conception at late June, and a birth of late March. Lizzy is fit and very lean, it is also possible with strong ab muscles she might not show into the second trimester. All plausible.

No she didn't look pregnant none of us said that what we did say is she was vomiting and was exhausted and anyone with any experience I.E. had a child before or was the partner of a person who was having a child could deduce with logic that Lizzy was/ could be carrying a baby. (there is also multiple suggestions that she was having sexual contact with Saul that sort of clued me in as well as the vomiting)





So I open this up to everyone. Who do you think is the second prisoner?

Not Hannah, I feel in Scratch's seriously twisted mental facilities she had visions of holding a gun to Lizzie's belly telling them she'd shoot the baby to get Pegs to come out. Cause Pegs would have walked out of the Tower to save Lizzie's child cause that's how Pegs would roll. She's sort of human like that and decent.

[Robzombie]

Scratch immediately recognized that she could be pregnant, even many of us on the forum at the time had seen that as a possibility. That idea was reinforced when Scratch mentions that she has two prisoners. Without directly saying so which is not realistic most of this stuff has been "confirmed". Lizzie has Sauls baby, Scratch recognized that, Hannah is dead, and so on...debate is good and can be interesting but this thread should be closed IMHO.
She was the prime motivating factor for what Kalani did and thats it. I doubt very much that we're going to get any further confirmation whatsoever. We arleady got: Kalani "that was my Hannah"; Duria: "you even killed some teenage girl", what more do you need?

[Witch_Doctor]

Scratch recognizes that Lizzy is pregnant in the furniture store when she has been vomiting. We know this from the interview with Jenna Mccrombie in which she says that KC whispered something into her ear so that she could deliver a particular line the way he wanted. He whispers ,"Scratch was pregnant once." The line in question is, "You're sick, aren't you?" Jenna Mccrombie confirms this. When Scratch says this line her tone and demeanor are softer than her typical ape-shit attitude.

[LongoriaN]

To nikvoodoo, yarri, and Robzombie: Like I said plausible that scratch could perceive it, but you have admit this is kind of an assumption and that Hannah still being alive has merit. Did KC out and out say for sure she is dead? Did I miss that? Sorry if I did. I think I understand KC's story telling and I wouldn't count anyone out until their body is burned. People that you have confirmation from him on sure, they are done. KC writes really serendipitous, he doesn't really like killing people. I mean what's the death count up to? 9? Tommy, Bill, Ryan, Pippen, Samantha, The squad who tried to escape from the garage in Chapter 24, Angel, Bricks, and......... I honestly think Hannah is still alive in the colony. I think we will have confirmation once to colony story line is concluded. Don't be surprised. Honestly, and this is where I digress to address RobZombie, but you have no evidence she is dead.

What I am trying to do is suggest she COULD be alive there is no evidence of her death. You guys are very quick to assume she is WITHOUT A DOUBT dead.

We have to agree there is a large body of evidence that is inconclusive at best. If we don't agree on that then I'll just close the thread.

To Robzombie:
"She was the prime motivating factor for what Kalani did and thats it."

That's really short sided and a huge assumption.

"I doubt very much that we're going to get any further confirmation whatsoever. We arleady got: Kalani "that was my Hannah"; Duria: "you even killed some teenage girl", what more do you need?"

These two examples are speculative. Kalani had no idea who was shot on the golf green, might have been some look alike decoy; Like riley. The description of Hannah was relayed in flight to be similar to Hannah. But none of the tower members knew her or met her. They really only had a few descriptors fair skin, redhair, and freckles. That's still describes tons of people. Kalani Just assumed it was Hannah. This is evident in the fact he "seemed overly interested", but didn't out and out have a dialog about who his daughter was and what she actually looked like. Set up for huge assumption, a life ending one.

The Duria comment as I have mentioned, seems non-descript it describes a ton of people. that's really evidence of nothing. We agree they shot a teenage girl, ok....... I think KC wrote it that way.

If you think the post should be close, please stop contributing. Obviously you think I'm off my rocker (me and skittles for the win!), but I have made some legit points and if you can't see that. I guess I'm sorry.

The interesting thing in life is how we can all experience the same story, but it can be seen in so many different lights and so many different ways . We shall see (hear).

Longoria

[LongoriaN]

To witch_doctor: I understand that KC wanted the line to be presented as a connection, But I still don't think Hannah is dead. Scratch seems to care for the child, I don't think she would be willing to cash that chip in, if you know what I'm saying (shoot and kill her two prisoners, worst possible end)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

I think there are more politics in this story then we can appreciate, the topics in this story line are endless.
Maybe a new thread......hhhmmmm.......

Longoira

[LongoriaN]

Like everyone knows what CJ suggests to overthrow the colony, is the same practice as the CIA in the 50's and 60's. China for example, Chiang Kai Shek. Early Vietnam, advisors.

Longoria

[LiamKerrington]

Well ...
To be crystal clear about that: Kc actually killed hundreds of millions of people worldwide with his Zombie-Apocalypse ... So much as for not really liking to kill people ...
And as for the body-count in WA ... Besides the seven dudes you mentioned don't miss on the survivors on the plane Kalani flew from Hawaii to L.A. and who died in LAX, don't miss the about at least one to two dozens of The Tower-people who died during the "war" and later underneath the collapsing building, don't forget the uncounted ladies and gentlemen from the other tower and from The Colony and The Mallers ... (almost complete List of named characters having died in P.S.: based on the WA wiki)
And even if you don't look beyond the borders of the "small world" of WA (which is the sum of greater parts of L.A., Fort Irwin and the neigborhood of the Fort), you still have about 3.5 to 4 Millionen people gone amiss since May 8th until December with most missing in action since late May 8th most likely being dead, because compared with these numbers of original inhabitants and workers and business-people only few became Zombies and even less survivors ...

But anyway: Please, don't close this topic. I agree with you insofar as anything we and you throw into this pot of hot sauce is only an uncertain amount of guesses, assumptions, and conclusions based on the few information, facts and ideas each and everyone here has. But I ask you to accept that there are at least two ways to look at things - either the literary understanding of explicit information (your approach, as I see it) or the kind of understanding involving interpretation, a certain level of abstraction while considering different means of storytelling (most other opinions so far). And actually it is fair enough to say that anyone's guesses are valid to some degree, meaning: some may be more solid, others less. But so far I have not read anything that made me facepalm or doubt the will and mind of someone else ... That applies even for my latest wall of words before this one ... ;)

All the best!
Liam

P.S.:
Cindy, Todd, Jeff, Martin, Charly, Samantha, Paul, Bill, John/ Latch, Tommy, Ryan, Carley, Simon, Sean, Fernando, Marcus, Pippin, Kalani, Angel, Gregg Fowler, Roman, Durai, Bricks, ASSUMPTION: Hannah, ASSUMPTION: Randy, if we cnsider Zombie-ism as dead.
Well ... More then 9 names ... And this list does not account for the many face- and nameless who joined the ranks of the four (five) major survivor-groups ...

[nikvoodoo]

It's not that we are quick to this point. Personally, I was very slow to come to this conclusion and didn't truly come to accept it until the end of the last chapter when Durai talked about killing the girl. Again, I'll eat loads of crow if I'm wrong but I don't think I am.

Think of it this way: What purpose does Hannah serve to the story if she's still alive? She can't reunite with her father. She isn't going to be the one to kill Scratch. At this point, it's hazy if we'll even go back to the Colony this season to discover she's alive. No one we know (and care about) can ID her anymore.

The fact that these dots aren't connected is the brilliance of the writing. We know not to expect someone is dead until we see the body. But we've "seen" her body. We witnessed her murder. Just because no one knew it was her doesn't make it any less of a corpse.


Liam: You need to take Angel, Roman, Durai, Bricks, and Kalani off your assumption list. Angel specifically we know is dead. Roman was ID'd as a zombie by Glenn and Pete, Durai got stabbed in the chest, I'm pretty sure we heard the final gasp of Bricks, and Kalani crashed a helicopter into the ground....while inside it.

[Osiris]

Dear Everyone in this thread,

Hannah is dead.

Sincerely,
The Guy Who Knows.

P.S. Remember that time when Liam's post-script was longer than his post by about 500 words? Way to go, brochacho. I like the way you ramble.

[Robzombie]

Dear Everyone in this thread,

Hannah is dead.


I appreciate your form of diplomacy. You took the words right outta my mouth.

[Osiris]

I appreciate your form of diplomacy. You took the words right outta my mouth.

I'm not dimplomatic. I'm drunk. There's a difference.

[Osiris]

Diplo*

Fuck. nik is going to enjoy that.

[LiamKerrington]

Liam: You need to take Angel, Roman, Durai, Bricks, and Kalani off your assumption list. Angel specifically we know is dead. Roman was ID'd as a zombie by Glenn and Pete, Durai got stabbed in the chest, I'm pretty sure we heard the final gasp of Bricks, and Kalani crashed a helicopter into the ground....while inside it.

Hi there. Thanks, changed it.
Actually I was not assuming the death of the other ones, because their deaths were as obvious as nothing else in this world. I just had placed the word "ASSUMPTION" in a weird place, and now I changed it.
To all wondering what this is about: My assumption about Hannah's death was quite in the middle of the long list of names, because I tried to list the names in order of death ...

All the best!
Liam

[Robzombie]

I'm not dimplomatic. I'm drunk. There's a difference.

Thats what i'm saying....even a lack of diplomacy in a drunken state is a form of diplomacy which at times is needed....and im on my way there too brother

[Osiris]

Thats what i'm saying....even a lack of diplomacy in a drunken state is a form of diplomacy which at times is needed....and im on my way there too brother

I can't underfuckingstand what that said.

[Osiris]

But look... some people just want to believe (see avatar) and that's totally cool. I think we should applaud the fact that TS wants to believe she's still breathing. Hell, I still want to believe that Kalani made it out alive somehow and is going to pop in the third act with a machete and a bag of Cheetos. To each their own.

[LiamKerrington]

Hell, I still want to believe that Kalani made it out alive somehow and is going to pop in the third act with a machete and a bag of Cheetos. To each their own.

In that case it would make sense having Hannah being alive ...
And if Kalani shows up, I want him to ride an old Harley Davidson with a gattling gun on top of the handle bar ...

[Osiris]

http://smiliesftw.com/x/big_bowspinrofl.gif

[awkwardalex]

I have a thread somewhere in the theories that points out tars exact lines in 24. He says (in regards to pippin and the trade), "Fine the they make the trade and SHE tells them." And lizzy was with them at this time with the redhead already dead (because the mallers had not heard from their decoys in awhile).
Hannah got a bullet salad to her head.

[DeadPixel]

Just for the sake of lols, In another WA universe far far away, I'm going to think that redhead was Samantha on her way to eat Datu's 'Brain Salad' :)

[Osiris]

In another WA universe, Samantha and Lizzy got it on, Bricks was in charge of the Mallers, Durai was played by a donkey in a coat, and Scratch spent all her time saving stray cats from the...