Chapter's 31 Artwork: The Ring

[Witch_Doctor]

Have we been given another clue, a red herring or am I reading too much into an artist's creative license?

I give you the artwork for Chapter 31 2007

Now Behold! The Borromean Rings: 2008 Duhn duhn Dahhh!!!

The Borromeo Family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Borromeo) is very old, yet extant aristocratic family originating in Italy. The Borromean Rings (http://www.liv.ac.uk/~spmr02/rings/) appear on their Family Crest as well as having relevance in other areas such as mathematics, science, religion, the occult...

Probably, the main point is that the rings are arranged in such a manner that removing one will break the link of the remaining two.

[ClearSights]

Daumn, nice find. Much props. Sounds like something you'd find in the Uncharted series or Assassin's Creed.

[VEE]

Nice, just reading up about them, lot's of very interesting history, I just got a little more edumacated.

[7oddisdead]

Ladies and gentlemen..grab your willow sticks..we're chasing wild gooses!

Sorry, but I just can't believe that clues to the story can be found here. Call me a cynic if you will...but yea....no

[yarri]

Ladies and gentlemen..grab your willow sticks..we're chasing wild gooses!

Sorry, but I just can't believe that clues to the story can be found here. Call me a cynic if you will...but yea....no
I've got a net!!!!

[VEE]

Ladies and gentlemen..grab your willow sticks..we're chasing wild gooses!

Sorry, but I just can't believe that clues to the story can be found here. Call me a cynic if you will...but yea....no

Illuminati Zombies, you heard it here first.

[Witch_Doctor]

Illuminati Zombies, you heard it here first.
I like that.
But hey, Illuminati, Cosa Nostra, Priori de Sion, Rosicrucians, Knights Templars, Free Masons or The League of Extraordinary freakin Gentlemen aside, we can Dan Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Brown) the hell out of this story. However, I think it is more likely that these story elements are analouges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogue_(literature)) to the motifs that the symbols represent. I write about this in length on another thread about Ink's tattoos (http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showthread.php?3310-quot-Ink-quot-the-origin-and-meaning-of-his-tattoos&p=42498&viewfull=1#post42498).

Keep in mind, as this story is told

We are presented clues relative to various story arcs. Sometimes they are repeatedly emphasized. Sometimes they pop up in random places. Lizzy vomiting, Bill Roberts covered in tattoos like Pinstripes, Kalani's wife had red hair like the girl killed at the golf course who he believes is Hanna...
The rings are mentioned in three episodes, thus far. Lizzy gives a detailed discription of the ring.
There are plenty of story arcs. Some deal with survival, love interests, the identity and motive of Pinstripes, origin of the outbreak, origin of the special zombies, what is the Family, Angel's and Scratch's connection.....


Sure there are lots of geese to chase but there are also lots of goose droppings to follow too. For instance, Lizzy describes the image of the circles on the ring down to the point on each circle. Also, in my original post, I note that the Borromean Rings not only represents an Italian Aristocratic family but a concept of three intertwined links connected in such a way that removing one breaks the link that bind them all. (Kind of like the ONE RING in LOTR :cool:)

[Witch_Doctor]

Another reason I think the emphasis is on the intertwined circles is because, when I was searching for this image I googled several search words but when I typed 'three intertwined circles' the Borromean Rings popped right up. That is how Lizzy described them.

[7oddisdead]

same search on bing gave me primarily celtic rings stuff(yea,bings rubbish blah blah) my opinion is simply this; this is an audiodrama, i get that we could feasibly gleam some small bits of generalized info from the artwork. i just cant help but cringe at the idea of another thread full of inks-tattoo's-esque theories. we were shown the ring, given an idea of yes this is a crime family, told its been around a long while, and there may be more to it than what we are seeing on the surface.....but we dont know that yet. those are details best left for the podcast, not gleamed from internet searches. ive done more than my fair share of googling the shit out of info for this podcast, and trust me...until kc wants us to know things..we dont. least when it comes to this sort of thing.

wow, look at me being rational...weird.

[Hellbringer]

same search on bing gave me primarily celtic rings stuff(yea,bings rubbish blah blah)

wow, look at me being rational...weird.

Bing is not complete rubbish. They've given me over 30 bucks in Microsoft Points because of their Bing Rewards. (I could've gone with the Amazon gift cards, but I like my Xbox.)

[7oddisdead]

Bing is not complete rubbish. They've given me over 30 bucks in Microsoft Points because of their Bing Rewards. (I could've gone with the Amazon gift cards, but I like my Xbox.)

:hsugh: i think we're are the only ones who still LIKE m.s. stuff :hsugh:

[Hellbringer]

:hsugh: i think we're are the only ones who still LIKE m.s. stuff :hsugh:

haha, my friends say that MS should've supported the Zune as much I have. I don't think they were kidding.

But as long as MS gives me money for searches, I'll keep using it.

[Witch_Doctor]

same search on bing gave me primarily celtic rings stuff(yea,bings rubbish blah blah) my opinion is simply this; this is an audiodrama, i get that we could feasibly gleam some small bits of generalized info from the artwork. i just cant help but cringe at the idea of another thread full of inks-tattoo's-esque theories. we were shown the ring, given an idea of yes this is a crime family, told its been around a long while, and there may be more to it than what we are seeing on the surface.....but we dont know that yet. those are details best left for the podcast, not gleamed from internet searches. ive done more than my fair share of googling the shit out of info for this podcast, and trust me...until kc wants us to know things..we dont. least when it comes to this sort of thing.

wow, look at me being rational...weird.

We are given no evidence that these are crime families, save Scratch's mention of "the other family's enforcers." That notion comes from our exposure to American Mafia use of the term Families to describe their sindicate organizations. This is an example of reading more into a facet of a story than what we are given. Yet if an object is described as, say, an axe attatched to a bundle of sticks there is a very strong possiblity that a fasces has been described. Describe a flower with three leafs, a tall straight leaf in the center and two leafs bending downward on the sides then there is a very strong possibility that a fleur-de-lis has been described. What about a cross with all four arms bent clockwise? You get the picture.

[yarri]

We are given no evidence that these are crime families, save Scratch's mention of "the other family's enforcers." That notion comes from our exposure to American Mafia use of the term Families to describe their sindicate organizations. This is an example of reading more into a facet of a story than what we are given. Yet if an object is described as, say, an axe attatched to a bundle of sticks there is a very strong possiblity that a fasces has been described. Describe a flower with three leafs, a tall straight leaf in the center and two leafs bending downward on the sides then there is a very strong possibility that a fleur-de-lis has been described. What about a cross with all four arms bent clockwise? You get the picture.

As "the families and enforcers are classic references to the mob I going to go with that as what it is ....kc doesn't screw around ever in his writing that I've yet seen. If a character is dead he's dead if a family has enforcers you can be assured that they don't deal in girl scout cookies and hugs

[7oddisdead]

Hmm...guess I haven't been listening to the same podcast then. Cause I could have sworn durai was in prison, as was latch...covering for a crime scratch committed. And they are still surrounding themselves with prisoners...and we have heard discussion of rings, family, protecting their own, etc...hmm...yea, sure does sound like something other than a crime family to me..id love nothing more than to be wrong, that would be incredibly interesting...but sadly..a spade is sometimes ...a spade

[yarri]

Or a train going threw a tunnel is just a train going threw a tunnel

[7oddisdead]

Or a champagne bottle popping its cork...is just a champagne bottle, popping its cork.

[yarri]

Sometime a sucker between your lips is just a sucker between your lips

[Witch_Doctor]

*Sigh* Mafia crime syndicates are called 'families' regardless of the geneological connections of its members. It doesn't mean that they are kin. You aren't born into the organization. Besides, no female Mafiosos in the US.
As "the families and enforcers are classic references to the mob I going to go with that as what it is ....kc doesn't screw around ever in his writing that I've yet seen. If a character is dead he's dead if a family has enforcers you can be assured that they don't deal in girl scout cookies and hugs And if a woman loses hope she doesn't mean a daughter named Hope, or a man wanting to save his girl isn't actually talking about his dog (maybe if he said he had to go back and get his bitch...Nah, then we'd think her were just a douchebag.) or if a half naked crazy man says that the worst zombie is a colored zombie then he's only being a racist or that feeding a man to the sisters (http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showthread.php?3438-Who-is-this-woman&p=43589&viewfull=1#post43589) means turning him into chopped liver and giving him to May-Kay and Ashley for lunch. I'm under the impression that KC does some research before writing in order to create an as believable as possible story. (Even one about zombies) He put more than a cursory thought into Saul's medication or the needs of Kalani if he is to fly an airplane or helicopter as a means of escape. Think he'd just stop now?


Hmm...guess I haven't been listening to the same podcast then. Cause I could have sworn durai was in prison, as was latch...covering for a crime scratch committed. And they are still surrounding themselves with prisoners...and we have heard discussion of rings, family, protecting their own, etc...hmm...yea, sure does sound like something other than a crime family to me..id love nothing more than to be wrong, that would be incredibly interesting...but sadly..a spade is sometimes ...a spade
Nope, we're all listening to the same podcast. There would be no need or desire for a forum if we all got the same thing from the story. "Say, what did you think of Chapter X?", "I thought it was KC's best work ever!","Me too." And, yep, mobsters do go to prison. Of course, who else are they going to surround them selves with after escaping prison in the middle of Z-day? "Hey guys, we're free! I'm goin home.", "Me too. Oh shit! ZOMBIES!! Yo, call me when you make it home safely!", "OK, will do. TTFN."
But hey, we're beating an Undead horse, here. As I asked at the begining, Clues or Red Herrings? I see that I failed to include another option... Tin Foil Hat. I agree, the Tin Foil Hat is a legitimate option. But keep in mind, this story is crawling with mysteries, clues and deceptions.

[7oddisdead]

Thank you sir, its a stretch...my opinion on that is quite obvious...but I applaud your enthusiasm without a doubt.

[yarri]

Picc lines and vancomycin argh argh rage argh lol

[GeOsiris]

Being a Mason and the occultist that I am, the cover art for this series has become increasingly more appealing to me. The piece for Chapter 31 has particularly piqued my interest.

What I am about to spew is simply my interpretation of a work of art. Some of it will pertain to the podcast, most will stray a bit. Take what you like, leave the rest. The SEEDS I am going to sow here grow deep roots, as above, so below. A little research on things you might not understand will open your eyes to some amazing information. To the other students of the Divine Mysteries who are privy to this information, please feel free to expound on anything you wish. Shared Light is good Light.

At the heart of Chapter 31's cover art is creation. Life. What a beautiful thing.

It's readily apparent that the backdrop to the artwork is the ultrasound of an unborn child. As notable and significant as the baby in the picture is, so are the three rings, three rings conspicuously arranged in a geometric shape. It's the arrangement of these rings that is important; should these same three rings not intersect exactly where they do, they would not carry the same power or meaning.

This arrangement of three equal circles has many different names, meanings and purposes. Another poster has already mentioned "Borromean" Rings, and with respect to the story, amongst the many names of our three rings, this is probably the most appropriate. For those of you in the "Ringed Mafia Family" camp, the origin of this specific name may be of significance to you as it originates from the coat of arms of an aristocratic Italian family dating back centuries, the House of Borromeo.

In keeping with the Borromean connotation regarding the arrangement of the rings, their complete unity is dependent on eachother. They are linked by what is called a Brunnian link, it takes all three to keep the bond; remove one ring and the other two cease to be linked as well. In simple terms, no two are linked to eachother, but all three are linked together. This bond is found in DNA. What did a 12th century Italian family know about DNA? I wonder how this will all relate to the future developments of our "ringed family" if at all.

Another name for the three rings arranged in this fashion is the Triquetra. The Triquetra lies at the core of Sacred Geometry as Sacred Geometry is at the core of this artwork. Take a look at the art again, did you notice the hexagon that borders the rings? Hold that thought, it will come in to play soon.

Sacred Geometry in its simplest definition is the blueprint of life, the design of creation and the formula for beauty. So what does it have to do with the art? If the Sacred Geometry is continued onward from the Triquetra and equal circles are added accordingly (the way it happens in nature) a seven circle "Seed of Life" will form. The Seed of Life is the same shape of an embryo in its first hours of creation. What is the backdrop of this piece again? From the Seed of Life develops a 13 circle "Fruit of Life". The Fruit of life is the basis for Metatron's Cube, which as represented in two dimensional form, is.......wait for it........a hexagon! Now, I left lots of gaps, and VOLUMES of information out, but it's nothing you can't find on your own. If you research the concepts of Sacred Geometry, and it's link to creation, nature and life, you will find some interesting connections.

Ok, so the 3 rings and the hexagon allude to Sacred Geometry, but what the hell is that crazy abstract, upside-down snail shell, staircase, DNA helix thing? Once again, I refer to Sacred Geometry, only now, to Phi, or The Golden Ratio/Golden Mean. Phi is the blueprint for beauty, it is a proportion found in nature that creates a distinct pattern that you'll see in pine cones, sunflowers, and snail and nautilus shells. When this ratio is applied to architecture, art, or even the proportions of the human body, it tends to make things more appealing to the eye. This naturally-occurring proportion has been used since the days of the Egyptian Pyramids and medieval cathedrals to erect strong and beautiful buildings. Now, its used by PhotoShop artists to enhance the beauty of a model's face (Google the PHI Mask), to graphic designers who know the impact that a Phi proportionate logo can have on the mind of a consumer.

That's all that is coming to mind for now, maybe I'll expand on it later. If this kind of thing interests you just research some of the key subjects I've touched on, there is a wealth of information out there. If you really want to have your mind blown, do a little research on chaos magic and how those in the know use Phi/Sacred Geometry in Sigils to create chaos magic. I wouldn't be surprised if the artist who is creating these works is familiar with these concepts.

FYI: The topics I've written about just now (Sacred Geometry, Seed/Flower/Tree/Fruit of Life, Metatron's Cube, Phi) are some of the "secrets" we, the Freemasons, were "hiding" for centuries. During the age of enlightenment many of these connections were first being made. Connections rediscovered, that had been already been put to use by the sages and adepts of ancient civilizations.

If you have any questions or would like to know more, just let me know.

[Witch_Doctor]

Thanks for the insight.

[ClearSights]

Being a Mason and the occultist that I am, the cover art for this series has become increasingly more appealing to me. The piece for Chapter 31 has particularly piqued my interest.

A mason huh? Ever heard of Masonic Village in Lancaster PA?

[GeOsiris]

A mason huh? Ever heard of Masonic Village in Lancaster PA?

Yes, we have something similar in Florida. They are retirement homes typically for Masons and their wives or widows and are totally funded my Masonic charity.

Our Masonic Home in Florida is rated 5 stars.

[Solanine]

Being a Mason and the occultist that I am, the cover art for this series has become increasingly more appealing to me. The piece for Chapter 31 has particularly piqued my interest.

What I am about to spew is simply my interpretation of a work of art. Some of it will pertain to the podcast, most will stray a bit. Take what you like, leave the rest. The SEEDS I am going to sow here grow deep roots, as above, so below. A little research on things you might not understand will open your eyes to some amazing information. To the other students of the Divine Mysteries who are privy to this information, please feel free to expound on anything you wish. Shared Light is good Light.

At the heart of Chapter 31's cover art is creation. Life. What a beautiful thing.

It's readily apparent that the backdrop to the artwork is the ultrasound of an unborn child. As notable and significant as the baby in the picture is, so are the three rings, three rings conspicuously arranged in a geometric shape. It's the arrangement of these rings that is important; should these same three rings not intersect exactly where they do, they would not carry the same power or meaning.

This arrangement of three equal circles has many different names, meanings and purposes. Another poster has already mentioned "Borromean" Rings, and with respect to the story, amongst the many names of our three rings, this is probably the most appropriate. For those of you in the "Ringed Mafia Family" camp, the origin of this specific name may be of significance to you as it originates from the coat of arms of an aristocratic Italian family dating back centuries, the House of Borromeo.

In keeping with the Borromean connotation regarding the arrangement of the rings, their complete unity is dependent on eachother. They are linked by what is called a Brunnian link, it takes all three to keep the bond; remove one ring and the other two cease to be linked as well. In simple terms, no two are linked to eachother, but all three are linked together. This bond is found in DNA. What did a 12th century Italian family know about DNA? I wonder how this will all relate to the future developments of our "ringed family" if at all.

Another name for the three rings arranged in this fashion is the Triquetra. The Triquetra lies at the core of Sacred Geometry as Sacred Geometry is at the core of this artwork. Take a look at the art again, did you notice the hexagon that borders the rings? Hold that thought, it will come in to play soon.

Sacred Geometry in its simplest definition is the blueprint of life, the design of creation and the formula for beauty. So what does it have to do with the art? If the Sacred Geometry is continued onward from the Triquetra and equal circles are added accordingly (the way it happens in nature) a seven circle "Seed of Life" will form. The Seed of Life is the same shape of an embryo in its first hours of creation. What is the backdrop of this piece again? From the Seed of Life develops a 13 circle "Fruit of Life". The Fruit of life is the basis for Metatron's Cube, which as represented in two dimensional form, is.......wait for it........a hexagon! Now, I left lots of gaps, and VOLUMES of information out, but it's nothing you can't find on your own. If you research the concepts of Sacred Geometry, and it's link to creation, nature and life, you will find some interesting connections.

Ok, so the 3 rings and the hexagon allude to Sacred Geometry, but what the hell is that crazy abstract, upside-down snail shell, staircase, DNA helix thing? Once again, I refer to Sacred Geometry, only now, to Phi, or The Golden Ratio/Golden Mean. Phi is the blueprint for beauty, it is a proportion found in nature that creates a distinct pattern that you'll see in pine cones, sunflowers, and snail and nautilus shells. When this ratio is applied to architecture, art, or even the proportions of the human body, it tends to make things more appealing to the eye. This naturally-occurring proportion has been used since the days of the Egyptian Pyramids and medieval cathedrals to erect strong and beautiful buildings. Now, its used by PhotoShop artists to enhance the beauty of a model's face (Google the PHI Mask), to graphic designers who know the impact that a Phi proportionate logo can have on the mind of a consumer.

That's all that is coming to mind for now, maybe I'll expand on it later. If this kind of thing interests you just research some of the key subjects I've touched on, there is a wealth of information out there. If you really want to have your mind blown, do a little research on chaos magic and how those in the know use Phi/Sacred Geometry in Sigils to create chaos magic. I wouldn't be surprised if the artist who is creating these works is familiar with these concepts.

FYI: The topics I've written about just now (Sacred Geometry, Seed/Flower/Tree/Fruit of Life, Metatron's Cube, Phi) are some of the "secrets" we, the Freemasons, were "hiding" for centuries. During the age of enlightenment many of these connections were first being made. Connections rediscovered, that had been already been put to use by the sages and adepts of ancient civilizations.

If you have any questions or would like to know more, just let me know.

TLDR. I kid of course.
While the brunian link is found in DNA I believe it is only in single stranded chunks of a length of six neucleotides?
http://www.springerlink.com/content/6002xul4rt281543/

Tbh it seems we're playing the wikipedia game here. From DNA to ring? Might have been easier to DNA Plasmid ring tbh.

[GeOsiris]

TLDR. I kid of course.
While the brunian link is found in DNA I believe it is only in single stranded chunks of a length of six neucleotides?
http://www.springerlink.com/content/6002xul4rt281543/
Tbh it seems we're playing the wikipedia game here. From DNA to ring? Might have been easier to DNA Plasmid ring tbh.

Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about. Wikipedia game? My mention of the Brunnean rings in DNA was to bridge the OPs post to mine regarding Sacred Geometry as both are building blocks and if you look closely you'll see that the snail shape encasing the rings and hexagon have a double helix included in them.

BTW, you entirely missed the point of my post.

[Solanine]

Wikipedia game. Someone picks two articles and you have to get between them in 5-6 clicks using related articles. Eg, the ring has a specific type of link, a link which is apparently seen in DNA. You know what else can be made with DNA? Pretty much any weird combination you choose. They are not as flexible as amino acids for forming complex structures but still. And then you link the questionable DNA strand (no pun intended) back to the twelf century italians. No offense but in my humble opinion your looking WAY to far into it. What your saying may well be true but the way your putting it together using a lot of assumptions and coincidence. My reckoning? Kc looked up some old, influential italian families and stole a crest. I honestly don't think Kc is going to go back and link the italian family to the source of "them" because at that point why not just make them templars as well? You may have a point with the phi bit although in nature it is more to do with development in which for some reason the fibonacci sequence is often found. My criticism of the post was hidden in a reference you didn't get so in fact sir it is you whom failed to understand my post. I mean none of this in anyway to be offensive, so don't sound so hurt.

[GeOsiris]

Wikipedia game. Someone picks two articles and you have to get between them in 5-6 clicks using related articles. Eg, the ring has a specific type of link, a link which is apparently seen in DNA. You know what else can be made with DNA? Pretty much any weird combination you choose. They are not as flexible as amino acids for forming complex structures but still. And then you link the questionable DNA strand (no pun intended) back to the twelf century italians. No offense but in my humble opinion your looking WAY to far into it. What your saying may well be true but the way your putting it together using a lot of assumptions and coincidence. My reckoning? Kc looked up some old, influential italian families and stole a crest. I honestly don't think Kc is going to go back and link the italian family to the source of "them" because at that point why not just make them templars as well? You may have a point with the phi bit although in nature it is more to do with development in which for some reason the fibonacci sequence is often found. My criticism of the post was hidden in a reference you didn't get so in fact sir it is you whom failed to understand my post. I mean none of this in anyway to be offensive, so don't sound so hurt.


Yeah, you're still not getting the point, but that's OK. I'll connect the dots for you.

What I was alluding to in mentioning the Italian family crest is that if you study the symbols of history and ancient civilizations, e.g. an old family crest, you will notice recurring themes of Sacred Geometry. Patterns and symbols that are found from the sub atomic to the macro cosmic. Our ancestors didn't have microscopes, telescopes or computers so it is safe to say that they were in tune with nature and understood the divine relations and proportions. If you study the classically trained artists of the renaissance, their work was either drawn in root 2,3,4 or 5 rectangles, using the proportions of Phi to trigger the "beauty response" of the human eye. This is very advanced science for that time.

You latched on to my comment about DNA, which was the most insignificant of the post, and only being used to draw a parallel, and the true meaning of my message was lost on you.

I am reminded of a line of scripture with this exchange.

"Do not cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot."
Matthew 7:6

Take care.

[Solanine]

Yeah, you're still not getting the point, but that's OK. I'll connect the dots for you.

What I was alluding to in mentioning the Italian family crest is that if you study the symbols of history and ancient civilizations, e.g. an old family crest, you will notice recurring themes of Sacred Geometry. Patterns and symbols that are found from the sub atomic to the macro cosmic. Our ancestors didn't have microscopes, telescopes or computers so it is safe to say that they were in tune with nature and understood the divine relations and proportions. If you study the classically trained artists of the renaissance, their work was either drawn in root 2,3,4 or 5 rectangles, using the proportions of Phi to trigger the "beauty response" of the human eye. This is very advanced science for that time.

You latched on to my comment about DNA, which was the most insignificant of the post, and only being used to draw a parallel, and the true meaning of my message was lost on you.

I am reminded of a line of scripture with this exchange.

"Do not cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot."
Matthew 7:6

Take care.

I actually did get that. But my point is as follows.
All you say about phi and rennesisance art may be true but the relevance is not their other than that the ring portrays it.
But what is the implications for WA? Surely you don't believe that Kc will go all Dan Brown on us?
I sincerely belive your being over analytical here. I very much doubt that Scratches "Family" is linked to the biters.
If they were would Scratch not know a little more about them?
Seriously I understand what your saying (although I had to reread your original post several time as it rambles a little), it just doesn't really have releveance to the story.

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
Matthew 7:5

[GeOsiris]

I actually did get that. But my point is as follows.
All you say about phi and rennesisance art may be true but the relevance is not their other than that the ring portrays it.
But what is the implications for WA? Surely you don't believe that Kc will go all Dan Brown on us?
I sincerely belive your being over analytical here. I very much doubt that Scratches "Family" is linked to the biters.
If they were would Scratch not know a little more about them?
Seriously I understand what your saying (although I had to reread your original post several time as it rambles a little), it just doesn't really have releveance to the story.

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
Matthew 7:5

If you re-read my post several times you would have caught the part about me saying that most of it has nothing to do with the story, as far as I know. However, the cover art is heavy with Phi.

I bet you are a riot at parties.

[Solanine]

Actually you said some might be of some relevance but then again I did miss that bit but having said that I read through twice and then trailed backward following your chain of weird pseudoscience-logic. And when you said those things it very much read as though you thought almost all of it was of great importance to the story. Also you could have pointed that out five posts ago?

And for the record I am the life and soul of every party, even the ones I don't attend. All your good times are belonging to me.

[GeOsiris]

Actually you said some might be of some relevance but then again I did miss that bit but having said that I read through twice and then trailed backward following your chain of weird pseudoscience-logic. And when you said those things it very much read as though you thought almost all of it was of great importance to the story. Also you could have pointed that out five posts ago?

And for the record I am the life and soul of every party, even the ones I don't attend. All your good times are belonging to me.

The science is actually very real, and very applicable. I am trying to get clarification from Kc, but I would be VERY surprised if Phi/Sacred Geometry was not an intended central theme of the artwork. There are just too many references to it for it not to be.

The aforementioned doesn't mean it has anything to do with the story, or that the driving creative force behind the theme was KC himself though; for all I know, the artist him/herself could be an occultist and put those Easter eggs in there for people like me to find.

All I know is that there is way too much 1.618 in that picture for it to be coincidence.

And no, Philosoraptor is wrong. It means people toast toast. The gun is the tool, as is the toaster. A dead person (shot) or toasted piece of bread is the result of a person using a tool on them.

I think Phiolosoraptor is a liberal.

[Solanine]

Hey leave the philosoraptor out of this. Toast toast toast.
Is it not possible that the ring was just designed like that because it was suppossed to look pretty?

[GeOsiris]

Hey leave the philosoraptor out of this. Toast toast toast.
Is it not possible that the ring was just designed like that because it was suppossed to look pretty?

Of course it is. Anything is possible. But it is not just about the rings. The rings + the hexagon + the nautilus shape = 3 SG references. I was just trying to share some Light.