DIY weapons

[VEE]

I blogged yesterday, about DIY weapons, and thought I’d post it here as well as it’s an interesting one I think, the original post is HERE (http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/entry.php?312-Shuffling-About) and replies are welcome there, or here.

OK, here’s a scenario: It’s Z-Day. You are in you home and need to get from there to a designated safe shelter which is 1 mile away. Between you and the shelter there are a lot of Zombies, traditional non-runners, shufflers if you like, but you can get through them with the help of a weapon. You have no guns or access to guns. What weapon would you be able to fashion from items within your home?

I had a good look around and was quite disappointed with my options. I could do something with a chair leg and some kitchen knives maybe, or a Fender Telecaster, but the neck would break before I got to my destination I think. I have a hatchet in the garage, and a metal baseball bat, but the garage is not attached to the house and therefore not part of the scenario. I do have a hammer, so in the one hand I would have to carry that, and in the other a chair leg. The chair leg would be to keep the Zombie a chair legs length away and the hammer to smash their bloody brains in. It’s the best I can do, I reckon my chances of survival would be 50/50 at best. If there were a hug of Zombies then I’d be done for, 1 or 2 at a time and I could probably get away with it.

How prepared are you? If the alarm went off now and you had 10 minutes to get your weapons before setting off for the safe site, what could you fashion only from what is immediately to hand to protect yourself?

[Osiris]

Zip gun.

[VEE]

Zip gun.



"You have no guns or access to guns."

[7oddisdead]

Corn knife....think machete but a thinner width wise..thicker material wise..i have one at the house and one at the shop...odds and ends otherwise at the house...a full workshop at the shop..i can make just about anything out there...;)

[VEE]

Corn knife....think machete but a thinner width wise..thicker material wise..i have one at the house and one at the shop...odds and ends otherwise at the house...a full workshop at the shop..i can make just about anything out there...;)

Never seen a corn knife, I gooled it and the first results contained a picture of a bloody stump!

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21E0P2JJPAL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[7oddisdead]

Yep...thats it :)

[VEE]

Yep...thats it :)

I think you'll survive!

[GeneTwo]

Duct Tape

[VEE]

Duct Tape

Oh deary me. Is duct tape a weapon?

Don't think you are going to make it, unless, you have a cunning plan, as cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University.

[DogFromDuckhunt]

Have a few <5 pound weights. Plated kind so in my head they can do some damage if I put them between two knots on a extension cord and swing hard enough. Bat, knives, basic bag of tools. Some kind of cleaning acid. Various flammable stuff. 2 or 3 frozen 10-15 pound catfish.

[Cunning Plan]

Oh deary me. Is duct tape a weapon?

Don't think you are going to make it, unless, you have a cunning plan, as cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University.

did somebody call? obv duct tape can be used to form a bow string or tether or even be used to stick molotov cocktails to zombies when thrown with the sticky side out.

CP

[VEE]

Have a few <5 pound weights. Plated kind so in my head they can do some damage if I put them between two knots on a extension cord and swing hard enough. Bat, knives, basic bag of tools. Some kind of cleaning acid. Various flammable stuff. 2 or 3 frozen 10-15 pound catfish.

Oh go with the catfish, just because it would be funny! Or freeze the bat inside the catfish!

[Cabbage Patch]

If there were a hug of Zombies then I’d be done for, 1 or 2 at a time and I could probably get away with it.

I'm not sure if this is a British term or a typo, but it's brilliant! I propose that we add a hug of Zombies to the official We're Alive lexicon to describe any group larger than 2, but smaller than 10.

[yarri]

What about DIY weapons for those of us that are most likely going to be trapped at work?

I'm telling you I can come up with a nasty weapon using only an IV pole.

[Cabbage Patch]

What about DIY weapons for those of us that are most likely going to be trapped at work?

I'm telling you I can come up with a nasty weapon using only an IV pole.

Didn't they use an IV pole to kill a zombie in one of the later Romero movies? It seemed like a pretty wicked weapon there, probably even more so if you remove the IV bag and stand!

[VEE]

I'm not sure if this is a British term or a typo, but it's brilliant! I propose that we add a hug of Zombies to the official We're Alive lexicon to describe any group larger than 2, but smaller than 10.

I think I made it up. I did a blog post on collective nouns for Zombies :D

[Osiris]

"You have no guns or access to guns."

You obviously have no idea how to make one, bro. :hsugh:

[VEE]

You obviously have no idea how to make one, bro. :hsugh:

Why would I?

[VEE]

What about DIY weapons for those of us that are most likely going to be trapped at work?

I'm telling you I can come up with a nasty weapon using only an IV pole.

I reckon you'd make it, all sorts of nasty doodads at work I'm guessing.

[yarri]

I reckon you'd make it, all sorts of nasty doodads at work I'm guessing.

And I already have an escape plan. They laughed at me but that would stop the minute Mrs smith in what ever room rose up and tried to eat one of their faces..

[Witch_Doctor]

"You have no guns or access to guns."

What do you mean you have no access to guns? Oh, wait, you're not in the U.S. In Virginia you can just grab one off of a dead zombie or ask anybody next to you if you could borrow theirs. Its like borrowing a light for a cigarette around here.

[Cabbage Patch]

I just had a horrible dream. In it we had a zombie apocalypse, we won the fight and built a new society from the ruins, but that society came to be dominated by lawyers. Worse, civil rights and environmental lawyers who spent the war cowering in underground bunkers, not contributing to the fighting and unwilling to understand that it took extraordinary effort to survive on the surface.

Now we faced enormous restrictions on what we could or couldn't do. It took years to get approval build new things while we got our environmental impact reports approved. The new government was busy trying to confiscate all our weapons and make us take down all of our fortifications. Worse, we all faced war crime, or murder trials for all the zombies we killed.

Good thing it was just a bad dream!

[yarri]

I just had a horrible dream. In it we had a zombie apocalypse, we won the fight and built a new society from the ruins, but that society came to be dominated by lawyers. Worse, civil rights and environmental lawyers who spent the war cowering in underground bunkers, not contributing to the fighting and unwilling to understand that it took extraordinary effort to survive on the surface.

Now we faced enormous restrictions on what we could or couldn't do. It took years to get approval build new things while we got our environmental impact reports approved. The new government was busy trying to confiscate all our weapons and make us take down all of our fortifications. Worse, we all faced war crime, or murder trials for all the zombies we killed.

Good thing it was just a bad dream!

There's a cure for that infestation of lawyers. Burn them with fire! Salt the remains and burn them a second time!

[Osiris]

Why would I?

Why wouldn't I?

[Osiris]

There's a cure for that infestation of lawyers. Burn them with fire! Salt the remains and burn them a second time!

Recipe for Twice-cooked BBQ Lawyer, serves 4 to 6. Unless you've eaten your psychiatrist in a fit of disillusionment, you probably wouldn't understand.

[Nate Eeez]

Saw an interesting tee shirt for sale at the Philly Comic Con. Writing on it said I bite zombies. Now the globe understanding is that fluid from a zombie will mostly likely turn you into a zombie, so that tee shirt doesn't make sense. Or does it? *Eye brow raises* What if all it took to turn a zombie back into a human was for a human to bite a zombie? It's so simple it might just be the ultimate cure. If the theory holds true, then a DIY weapon could be your teeth.

Now, who wants to go first?

[yarri]

Recipe for Twice-cooked BBQ Lawyer, serves 4 to 6. Unless you've eaten your psychiatrist in a fit of disillusionment, you probably wouldn't understand.

Awww this makes me happy!

[Leedo2502]

I would go to my night stand and get my gun and fashion a gun out of it...

[Osiris]

I would go to my night stand and get my gun, then fashion a night stand with a gun in it that I would then fashion into a time machine and booya bounce out that bitch.

[7oddisdead]

Hmmm...i need a nightstand...


maybe I'll make a dimensional transporter to go to an alternate reality where THAT version of me has a nightstand..

[Osiris]

I can loan you some old towels that you can fashion into a dump truck that you can then sell to get monies for a night stand.

[7oddisdead]

Eh..i could just trade in a few of these guns I have lying around...keep tripping over the damn things...






Alright..this train has derailed...back on topic!

[Osiris]

We are on topic, bro.

[Red Shirt]

I have a ~30 inch crowbar... laying on the couch right behind me. There's also a contractor grade framing hammer behind the couch. It also just so happens that my Bug out Bag is leaning against the coffee table also behind me, in which I have a pair of milspec NBC gloves. I'd spend those 10 minutes getting properly dressed.

I also have a ~30 inch long 1/2 drive breaker bar and a jack handle in the trunk of my car.

[Osiris]

28 oz Estwing sitting 11' away from me, along with an 8 lbs sledge, and an axe. I can turn that shit into a tank.

[GeneTwo]

Oh deary me. Is duct tape a weapon?

Don't think you are going to make it, unless, you have a cunning plan, as cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University.

Dude, have you ever watched Mythbusters. Duct Tape + Anything = Awesome

[VEE]

Why wouldn't I?

You obviously have some idea how to make one, bro.

[GodofInsanity]

See this is the great thing about my house, built decades (circa 1927) ago it has a whole bunch cool things that has built up over time. Add in my wife collects all varieties of swords and knives as a plus. And that my Uncle was a landscaper and Grandfather was a packrat, I can make a whole slew of interesting weapons that could keep a zombie at armes length. Specially with some duct tape. Now as a quick grab in case I didnt have 10 minutes to throw something together, a sword that is real in the closet we haven't mounted yet. I may not have the skill with a katana but this thing could club as well as cut. Cliche maybe, but damn it tis a cool thought.

[7oddisdead]

so I started thinking about things out at my workshop...

Nail gun
Various crowbars, pry bars etc
Various hammers, in particular..my square headed body hammer(autobody tool) and the persuader(3lb mini sledge)
A rack of misc. Steel pipe and various gauges of flat steel
10 rolls of duct tape, 12 rolls of electrical tape (buy in bulk,folks)
At least a dozen 2x4s
Roughly..?34? Used tires
I'm sure there's more..but I can't think it all at the moment

[Leedo2502]

Since my gun might not be legit I have a riot baton that I "borrowed" from our armory... along with an ASP that I bought whenI deployed, several knives and machetes. For DIY I'd saw about a quarter off the top of a baseball bat and shave the edges down a bit so it's more managable as a one handed weapon. I know how to make snares and traps from my Boy Scout days (back when the Boy Scouts still did manly shit and before there was a "Video Game Merit Badge").

In my books nothing beats a club, it's mankinds first weapon and requires all the skill of a caveman.

[Osiris]

You obviously have some idea how to make one, bro.

True story, son.

[Osiris]

so I started thinking about things out at my workshop...

Nail gun
Various crowbars, pry bars etc
Various hammers, in particular..my square headed body hammer(autobody tool) and the persuader(3lb mini sledge)
A rack of misc. Steel pipe and various gauges of flat steel
10 rolls of duct tape, 12 rolls of electrical tape (buy in bulk,folks)
At least a dozen 2x4s
Roughly..?34? Used tires
I'm sure there's more..but I can't think it all at the moment

I could make an abandoned oil rig, fully stocked with enough food to last about 4 years while I get the garden up and running, and still have enough leftovers to build a boat to get me and 80 people there.

[Condor]

First off, "You have no guns or access to guns" is a totally alien concept for me, as is leaving home for a "shelter", but I have:
Machete
samurai sword
batons
aluminum baseball bat
wooden baseball bat
crossbow (actually not as practical as a compound bow, but I already have the crossbow)
bottles of liquor (for molotov cocktails)
golf clubs
lots of knives

in the basement:
shovels
hatchets, hammers, assorted tools (don't want to get that close)
leftover construction materials: 2x4s, nails, conduit pipe, bricks, etc (mortar mix & PVC pipe could make some interesting combinations)
chains
torch & propane tanks
axe
chainsaw


Zip gun.
Possible, but if "You have no guns or access to guns" you wouldn't have ammo for the zip gun.



Duct TapeI'll allow it. Even if it's not used as an offensive weapon, a defensive use would be to wrap your clothes to reinforce against zombie bites.


Didn't they use an IV pole to kill a zombie in one of the later Romero movies? It seemed like a pretty wicked weapon there, probably even more so if you remove the IV bag and stand!Wasn't that "Diary..."?


I just had a horrible dream. In it we had a zombie apocalypse, we won the fight and built a new society from the ruins, but that society came to be dominated by lawyers. Worse, civil rights and environmental lawyers who spent the war cowering in underground bunkers, not contributing to the fighting and unwilling to understand that it took extraordinary effort to survive on the surface.

Now we faced enormous restrictions on what we could or couldn't do. It took years to get approval build new things while we got our environmental impact reports approved. The new government was busy trying to confiscate all our weapons and make us take down all of our fortifications. Worse, we all faced war crime, or murder trials for all the zombies we killed.

Good thing it was just a bad dream!How could you tell the difference between zombies and lawyers. Kill the lawyers along with the zombies.


I would go to my night stand and get my gun and fashion a gun out of it...
LMAO

[Osiris]

Possible, but if "You have no guns or access to guns" you wouldn't have ammo for the zip gun.


Yeah... except that I do, so...

[reaper239]

I would go to my night stand and get my gun and fashion a gun out of it...

i don't have a nightstand, i do however have my guns strategically spread across the apartment. never more than 5 feet from a gun, that's my cardinal rule. and the best part is, my girlfriend isn't freaked out by that at all :D

[Jorch72]

Duct Tape

McGyver would be proud!!!
:D

[Jorch72]

Didn't they use an IV pole to kill a zombie in one of the later Romero movies? It seemed like a pretty wicked weapon there, probably even more so if you remove the IV bag and stand!
Leave the bag!!! It would look a lot cooler with the bag!!

[yarri]

Leave the bag!!! It would look a lot cooler with the bag!!

D5 IV fluid of any type burst is so messy its sticky.. nah.. take the bag down take the center section out and bash zombie skulls.

[Solanine]

I have a big bloody axe for firewood. And a sledge hammer. I'd use the axe until it broke and then the hammer until I broke, or got off balance.
Having said that the nearest safe zone would no be within a mile, since the nearest supermarket is 2.5 hours away.

[Luna Guardian]

My French chateu is completely unarmed and altogether unprepared for a zombie invasion, but considering I'm surrounded by French people who when zombiefied would surrender to loudly spoken zombie-esh German (Think "Achtung, BRAAAAAAINS"), I think I'd be ok

[Blues_127]

I am with Condor... considering I always have atleast one gun on me and 2X ARs, 30-30, Mosen, 2x 12 Ga, .38, .45, .40, 2x .22 LR's strategically located through out my home ... but...

In my home I also have 1 Crossbow and 1 bow + a quiver full of arrows, pair of Sai, 3 very functional swords (2 short 1 long), 1 machette, 2 tire testers, 1 base ball bat, alcohol (rubbing kind) ever seen the trick of pouring it on the floor under a door & lighting it? aerosol cans of flamable material + lighter, some really good trapping books that aren't buried, along with non-electric hand saws, drills, hammers, planer etc in two crates... I have some wood and other building material in order to build up defenses once things cool down or make some old fashion nail enhanced 2x4's to beat some zombie brains out.

[Cabbage Patch]

I like what they're doing with pieces of rebar on The Walking Dead. It seems like a good basis for creating reliably deadly thrusting weapons, perfect for killing shambling zombies through a chain link fence, or from behind a police riot shield.

Unfortunately it wouldn't do any good against We're Alive zombies that are fast, strong, aggressive and scoff at chain link fences.

[Red Shirt]

I have a ~30 inch crowbar...

:o I've misplaced the crowbar since then... but just today though, I added a 22" Machete, bolt cutters, 100 feet of rope and two, two foot sections of chain. Decided to add that after seeing them try to secure the prison in Walking Dead.

[Deacon_Tyler]

What almost never gets explored would be the need to be absolutely silent. I once had a nightmare in which a young girl was stuck in a tiny apartment laundry room with slatted doors (the kind that look like blinds) and holding her breath, while her sister or mother hid in the closet directly across from her while the undead searched for survivors. What stood out in my mind was the vision of a girl's wide eyes lit only by the moonlight streaming in through the door slats.

Where the movies go wrong is that it's not about nailing boards over windows and running electric lights and shouting like idiots, it's about shutting the F up and hiding in an attic or closet and the real suspense isn't "how the survivors will fight among themselves", but rather "will someone sneeze at the wrong time" or "will they go mad and run screaming into the zombies".

Swords could be semi effective vs living, infected zombies, but not on Romero zombies at all. The reason for this is that blood, flesh and organs have an adhesive quality and pulling out a sword from a human body is a challenge. Also, when you see people stabbing through skulls over and over with a knife, the producers aren't realizing that skulls are strong stuff - like concrete strong. It not only take a ridiculous amount of force to drive a blade through a skull, but even more to pull it back out. Worse still, the blade would be blunted after only a few decapitations or skull smashes.

Also, fatigue would set in extremely quickly.

Fire would be an amazing defense. When it's been brought up in the past, the argument has always been that zombies would set fire to everything around them, which probably wouldn't happen. A good demonstration would be to hold a fire against the side of a house or building and see how long it takes to burn. Most fires start from the inside out, rather than the outside in.

The zombie wouldn't have to burn completely, just enough to disable the eyes or damage the muscle tissue enough to incapacitate.

Caustic agents to the eyes would work wonderfully as well and something as simple as a super soaker filled with detergent and water or vinegar would be more effective and energy saving than a blunt or bladed object.

The other thing I almost never see in zombie movies or books is digging a moat. Granted, you'd need some equipment and you'd need to keep the zombies away long enough to dig it, but that would be a very effective method of keeping them at bay.

[Deacon_Tyler]

100th post *blows a whistle of some sort*

[7oddisdead]

What almost never gets explored would be the need to be absolutely silent. I once had a nightmare in which a young girl was stuck in a tiny apartment laundry room with slatted doors (the kind that look like blinds) and holding her breath, while her sister or mother hid in the closet directly across from her while the undead searched for survivors. What stood out in my mind was the vision of a girl's wide eyes lit only by the moonlight streaming in through the door slats.

Where the movies go wrong is that it's not about nailing boards over windows and running electric lights and shouting like idiots, it's about shutting the F up and hiding in an attic or closet and the real suspense isn't "how the survivors will fight among themselves", but rather "will someone sneeze at the wrong time" or "will they go mad and run screaming into the zombies".

Swords could be semi effective vs living, infected zombies, but not on Romero zombies at all. The reason for this is that blood, flesh and organs have an adhesive quality and pulling out a sword from a human body is a challenge. Also, when you see people stabbing through skulls over and over with a knife, the producers aren't realizing that skulls are strong stuff - like concrete strong. It not only take a ridiculous amount of force to drive a blade through a skull, but even more to pull it back out. Worse still, the blade would be blunted after only a few decapitations or skull smashes.

Also, fatigue would set in extremely quickly.

Fire would be an amazing defense. When it's been brought up in the past, the argument has always been that zombies would set fire to everything around them, which probably wouldn't happen. A good demonstration would be to hold a fire against the side of a house or building and see how long it takes to burn. Most fires start from the inside out, rather than the outside in.

The zombie wouldn't have to burn completely, just enough to disable the eyes or damage the muscle tissue enough to incapacitate.

Caustic agents to the eyes would work wonderfully as well and something as simple as a super soaker filled with detergent and water or vinegar would be more effective and energy saving than a blunt or bladed object.

The other thing I almost never see in zombie movies or books is digging a moat. Granted, you'd need some equipment and you'd need to keep the zombies away long enough to dig it, but that would be a very effective method of keeping them at bay.

Agree with all this minus one thing....concrete IS harder than a human skull....so says my skull

[Deacon_Tyler]

Agree with all this minus one thing....concrete IS harder than a human skull....so says my skull Sounds painful!

[7oddisdead]

Only for a little bit....then they give you things for that

[Condor]

:o I've misplaced the crowbar since then... but just today though, I added a 22" Machete, bolt cutters, 100 feet of rope and two, two foot sections of chain. Decided to add that after seeing them try to secure the prison in Walking Dead.

Did you add the rope because of The Boondock Saints? lol

Just added one of these to my gear: 2276SOG Tactical Tomahawk

[Witch_Doctor]

Where the movies go wrong is that it's not about nailing boards over windows and running electric lights and shouting like idiots, it's about shutting the F up and hiding in an attic or closet and the real suspense isn't "how the survivors will fight among themselves", but rather "will someone sneeze at the wrong time" or "will they go mad and run screaming into the zombies".

Seems like nobody explored the importance of silence since The Diary of Anne Franks.



Fire would be an amazing defense. When it's been brought up in the past, the argument has always been that zombies would set fire to everything around them, which probably wouldn't happen. A good demonstration would be to hold a fire against the side of a house or building and see how long it takes to burn. Most fires start from the inside out, rather than the outside in.
The zombie wouldn't have to burn completely, just enough to disable the eyes or damage the muscle tissue enough to incapacitate.


I dunno about this one. Would seem to attract too much attention. UNLESS you combine it with the moat! :D I've always had a knee jerk reaction against setting zombie ablaze (as if I actually deal with them in reality) ever since I watch my first zombie movie, Return of the Living Dead. That movie was so influential that everyone will get the meaning of "Braaaiiinnnsss!!"



Caustic agents to the eyes would work wonderfully as well and something as simple as a super soaker filled with detergent and water or vinegar would be more effective and energy saving than a blunt or bladed object.


Now you're talking. Chemical Warfare!! Bleach, battery acid, bug spray, hell squirting Cheez Whiz from a can could buy you a couple of minutes. Me likey!



The other thing I almost never see in zombie movies or books is digging a moat. Granted, you'd need some equipment and you'd need to keep the zombies away long enough to dig it, but that would be a very effective method of keeping them at bay.

Gosh Darn Skippy, you are! Of course you would have to finish them off in a timely manner so they don't filled up the moat and just walk over each other, but this was in my survival field guide.

[Blues_127]

Swords could be semi effective vs living, infected zombies....

Has no one else here weilded a Katana? Even half trained it is incredibly easy to chop through 8" trees. I can only imagine the hollow ground principles that make this possible would be EXTREMELY effective at decapitating just about anything smaller than an elephant.

[werewolf]

I use to make my own throwing stars in art class. I would make all different shapes and sizes. then weld them together. it would always amaze my art teacher how many stars would magically disappear.
does anybody still have or did have The poor mans james bond book? a lot of nice info in that.

[Red Shirt]

Did you add the rope because of The Boondock Saints? lol
Nah, It's been since forever since I've seen the film. Home Depot had a 1/4 pallet of cheap poly blend Non-Climbing rope for $10. I figured, why not?
That's a pretty bad ass tomahawk there though. I'm leaning towards a Dead-On demolition hammer (http://www.amazon.com/Dead-On-AN18-Annihilator-Wrecking/dp/B001SEQH1I?tag=duckduckgo-d-20) myself.



does anybody still have or did have The poor mans james bond book? a lot of nice info in that.
I do, sort of. I have PDF's of volumes 1-4 and the Anarchist's Cook Book as well. Acquired under the premise below...

BUT:

I cannot stress enough, if you are going to get these, which you shouldn't, try out stuff in them, which you shouldn't... you need to be extremely and absurdly careful.
"Text" files of these and other documents have circulated on the internet for so long, that bad edits have surfaced. Bad edits that are comprised of incorrect, nonfunctional and instantly lethal (to YOU), rather than just absurdly dangerous information.

As is mentioned in the opening chapter of The Zombie Survival Guide, Preparation, you should be the very model of the Upstanding Law Abiding Citizen. In the US, the 1st Amendment I believe protects your right to acquire this book for "entertainment and informational purposes only." You really should leave it there

[7oddisdead]

Heh, we recently added two of the dead on hammers to the halfacre bros "wall of implements"...such a good choice.

[werewolf]

Nah, It's been since forever since I've seen the film. Home Depot had a 1/4 pallet of cheap poly blend Non-Climbing rope for $10. I figured, why not?
That's a pretty bad ass tomahawk there though. I'm leaning towards a Dead-On demolition hammer (http://www.amazon.com/Dead-On-AN18-Annihilator-Wrecking/dp/B001SEQH1I?tag=duckduckgo-d-20) myself.



I do, sort of. I have PDF's of volumes 1-4 and the Anarchist's Cook Book as well. Acquired under the premise below...

BUT:

I cannot stress enough, if you are going to get these, which you shouldn't, try out stuff in them, which you shouldn't... you need to be extremely and absurdly careful.
"Text" files of these and other documents have circulated on the internet for so long, that bad edits have surfaced. Bad edits that are comprised of incorrect, nonfunctional and instantly lethal (to YOU), rather than just absurdly dangerous information.

As is mentioned in the opening chapter of The Zombie Survival Guide, Preparation, you should be the very model of the Upstanding Law Abiding Citizen. In the US, the 1st Amendment I believe protects your right to acquire this book for "entertainment and informational purposes only." You really should leave it there
i agree with you on it. I actually have 2 videos of the guy that wrote the books. In the video, you can see that he had lost some fingers of his left hand. I would never ever think of trying any of those things in the book.
only time that i might use any of that stuff would be extreme life and death.

[scbubba]

i don't have a nightstand, i do however have my guns strategically spread across the apartment. never more than 5 feet from a gun, that's my cardinal rule. and the best part is, my girlfriend isn't freaked out by that at all :D

But does she know how to use them? Now THAT, son, is a good woman..... (just don't piss her off....)