Two things.....

[WestonWisdom]

Okay, I have two little questions/knitpicks, but hey, a three week gap makes work for idle hands :)

Firstly, just what is Shirelys range? In 5-1, burt remarks that the one on the roof(about 100 metres away) is quite a long distance away to hit with Shirely, but in 5-3 he has no trouble hitting the wing mirror of a tanker(although this distance isn't mentioned. Also, in 11-1, Burt manages to hit the sprinting attacker when he was 300+ meteres away with mismatched bullets, which just made me wonder.

Secondly, how did Pegs get into the colony so easily? Didn't she have a damaged foot? It just seems weird that she would get in without at least a second opinion, seeing as the gatekeeper called Tanya for an arm, why wouldnt he call for a fresh wound?

Just a few things I noticed.

[itsallgoodie]

Secondly, how did Pegs get into the colony so easily? Didn't she have a damaged foot? It just seems weird that she would get in without at least a second opinion, seeing as the gatekeeper called Tanya for an arm, why wouldnt he call for a fresh wound?


So im not too sure about Burt's gun but the pegs thing im pretty sure they didnt care that Michael's arm was messed up or that pegs foot was hurt they just cared that his arm was funny and didnt look right. the gatekeeper didnt think his arm looked right. Pegs food did. thats why.

[Ra1th]

I'm pretty sure gatekeeper had tanya check out her wound before letting her in

[WestonWisdom]

I'm pretty sure gatekeeper had tanya check out her wound before letting her in

Tanya is only called when gatekeeper see's the arm, the foot isn't mentioned until after the decision not to let Michael in is made.

[Ra1th]

was michael first? or was it pegs and kelly first, then michael? so that pegs had already been approved, and then her foot was called into question,

it could be that gatekeeper has som e medical expertise, so he cleared her wound, or it could be a plot hole

[nikvoodoo]

According to wikipedia (you know...the bastion of all things true on the internet) the effective range of a Desert Eagle is 200m. But Burt didn't shoot The One With Markings with Shirley. He had a rifle. At the 9:00 minute mark, Michael says "One arm or not, I will get that rifle from you..."

The cut was on the bottom of Pegs' foot. It might have been something Gatekeeper missed,

It's also possible its something he noticed but didn't look like a bite or scratch. He also could have questioned her about but was left out for the dramatic effect of the cliffhanger of Michael not being allowed to enter. Especially since Pegs mentioned it in front of Gatekeeper. If it wasn't something he hadn't noticed before, there would have to be something that happened when Pegs mentioned her foot in Gatekeeper's presence.

Good observations :)

[WestonWisdom]

was michael first? or was it pegs and kelly first, then michael? so that pegs had already been approved, and then her foot was called into question,

it could be that gatekeeper has som e medical expertise, so he cleared her wound, or it could be a plot hole

Michael was last, and the gatekeeper specifically mentions he isn't a doctor, Tanya was the only medical authority until 19-1.

[Ra1th]

Michael was last, and the gatekeeper specifically mentions he isn't a doctor, Tanya was the only medical authority until 19-1.

he might not be a doctor, but he spends every day looking at people's body's for wounds that looks suspicious for the past few months, i'm sure the guy knows what he's doing

or we could go back to the plot hole thing

[WestonWisdom]

According to wikipedia (you know...the bastion of all things true on the internet) the effective range of a Desert Eagle is 200m. But Burt didn't shoot The One With Markings with Shirley. He had a rifle. At the 9:00 minute mark, Michael says "One arm or not, I will get that rifle from you..."

The cut was on the bottom of Pegs' foot. It might have been something Gatekeeper missed, or it did not look enough like a bite or scratch to him to warrant barring her entry.

It's also possible its something he noticed, and questioned her about but was left out for the dramatic effect of the cliffhanger of Michael not being allowed to enter. Especially since Pegs mentioned it in front of Gatekeeper. If it wasn't something he hadn't noticed before, there would have to be something that happened when Pegs mentioned her foot in Gatekeeper's presence.

Good observations :)

Your right, In the hall he shot with the rifle, but it's never mentioned what weapon he uses to shoot when he was fleeing, and seeing as burr showers with shirely, it could feasibly be the rifle or Shirely.

[nikvoodoo]

he might not be a doctor, but he spends every day looking at people's body's for wounds that looks suspicious for the past few months, i'm sure the guy knows what he's doing

or we could go back to the plot hole thing

Remember when Victor told the story about the family and the recon team Gatekeeper had killed, it wasn't the fact that the girl was injured. It was that the injury looked like it could have been a scratch. From landing on the dock and getting a huge splinter in her foot or gash (whatever it happens to be) it would be a puncture wound, or a noticeable slice. Neither of those, to me, would read as a bite mark or scratch.


Your right, In the hall he shot with the rifle, but it's never mentioned what weapon he uses to shoot when he was fleeing, and seeing as burr showers with shirely, it could feasibly be the rifle or Shirely.
It's never mentioned but the sound used when he was loading the gun in preparation to shoot wasn't the same sound as Shirley being loaded. It sounds to me like the m-16 slide bolt. (11-1 ~11:00 mark)

[Joosbawx]

here is a link (http://www.magnumresearch.com/desert_eagle_techdata.asp) to information on the Desert Eagle that specifies maximum effective range to be 200 meters...quite a long shot with any handgun, but physically possible according to specs.

as far as shooting the tattooed zombie and hitting him in the hand after he'd jumped out the window at 300+ meters...well, I'd always read that scene as Burt using the M16 to make that shot, which makes a lot more sense than using Shirley.

edit...oops, thought I'd reached the end of the thread, bit guess I hadn't. sorry for redundant post.

[WestonWisdom]

he might not be a doctor, but he spends every day looking at people's body's for wounds that looks suspicious for the past few months, i'm sure the guy knows what he's doing

or we could go back to the plot hole thing

A cut made by a piece of wood would warrant concern when the disease Is spread by blood and is known to have a varying incubation period, but your right, it might be a plot hole

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Burt's shooting a .50 Cal Desert Eagle
You can change out the barrels, but from what I recall, he hasn't done that. He has his .357 revolver for everything else.
Most of what I've read only says the MER is 200M.
I'd venture to guess the Maximum effective range has to be for an area target though and not a point target. Point MER is going to be much shorter.
A marksman will be able to do things with a weapon that look superhuman to normal people.

[nikvoodoo]

Burt's shooting a .50 Cal Desert Eagle
You can change out the barrels, but from what I recall, he hasn't done that. He has his .357 revolver for everything else.
Most of what I've read only says the MER is 200M.
I'd venture to guess the Maximum effective range has to be for an area target though and not a point target. Point MER is going to be much shorter.
A marksman will be able to do things with a weapon that look superhuman to normal people.

Are you talking in both instances that were brought up? or just the time out on the freeway and the mirror? Because Michael clearly says Burt has a rifle in the hallway when they are confronting TOWTM. Why you would give up a rifle for a hand gun to shoot a target that is running away from you makes no logical sense to me at all.

[WestonWisdom]

Are you talking in both instances that were brought up? or just the time out on the freeway and the mirror? Because Michael clearly says Burt has a rifle in the hallway when they are confronting TOWTM. Why you would give up a rifle for a hand gun to shoot a target that is running away from you makes no logical sense to me at all.


Yeah, if you had a choice of bullets, but Burt didn't.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Nik I'm just talking about his back up gun period. They found him with his .357 in a death clutch. LOL. I didn't mention anything about giving up a gun for a rifle. Unless you're referring to my last line. That's just a statement about Burt's accuracy with such an ungainly weapon.

[nikvoodoo]

Yeah, if you had a choice of bullets, but Burt didn't.
In the narration, Michael says there are only handfuls of all size rounds (11-1, 12:45). Burt had options to take a single shot. Burt also mentions just before this moment for Michael to find his rounds for Shirley, implying (weakly I'll grant you) that was not what he just fired.

Regardless, listen to the sound effects of Burt shooting TOWTM. After the shot, you hear him pull the bolt back and release the empty shell casing. (11-1, 11:10) That doesn't happen with a desert eagle which expels the casing in the same motion as the weapon being fired. If Burt had used Shirley, we would hear the shot and the shell casing bouncing around almost instantly. But instead we hear shot, silence, impact and groan, compliment on the shot, then the bolt action of a rifle and the shell casing hitting the ground.

[WestonWisdom]

In the narration, Michael says there are only handfuls of all size rounds (11-1, 12:45). Burt had options to take a single shot. Burt also mentions just before this moment for Michael to find his rounds for Shirley, implying (weakly I'll grant you) that was not what he just fired.

Regardless, listen to the sound effects of Burt shooting TOWTM. After the shot, you hear him pull the bolt back and release the empty shell casing. (11-1, 11:10) That doesn't happen with a desert eagle which expels the casing in the same motion as the weapon being fired. If Burt had used Shirley, we would hear the shot and the shell casing bouncing around almost instantly. But instead we hear shot, silence, impact and groan, compliment on the shot, then the bolt action of a rifle and the shell casing hitting the ground.

All I can say is thank goodness for Were Alives sound design.

I'll give you that he fired his rifle both times, but I still don't understand why burt would say about 100 meteres Is "a bit far"

[MrScott101]

Maybe his eyesight isn't what it used to be and he was implying that in his grand haydays he could do better from an even futher distance.

[Pikepaw]

Given pistol sights, 100m is pretty far. Most other pistols have a maximum effective range of like 50m. I think you don't have to even listen to the bolt in 11-1. Shirley, as Saul says, is a "hand cannon" and her boom is very distinctive. Listen to the beginning of 4-1 and you can easily pick it out from the M16s, SAW and Beretta. Although the sound of the bolt does help. Plus, considering there is one Desert Eagle and at least four M16s, plus the SAW, which all use 5.56, it is far more likely that there would be an extra 5.56 round lying around for Burt to grab.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

All I can say is thank goodness for Were Alives sound design.

I'll give you that he fired his rifle both times, but I still don't understand why burt would say about 100 meteres Is "a bit far"

That's because there is a difference between an area and point target. A person...er, THING is going to be a point target... just as the mirror on the tanker.

[WestonWisdom]

That's because there is a difference between an area and point target. A person...er, THING is going to be a point target... just as the mirror on the tanker.

Wether or not the shooter has something specific to aim at does not effect the range of a gun.