What about the origins?

[nikvoodoo]

Its becoming very clear that the Tower clan is trying to leave the L.A. area and go somewhere else. So my question is: What does this do about discovering the origins of the outbreak? Will they even attempt to figure that out? Will there be any more "intel" raids on the zombies?

Does that mean that Raedon labs is suddenly a moot point? They will be moving far away from it? Or do you think the move might unlock some new secrets that they wouldn't have been able to discover? Some sort of Raccoon City like development to the story where the army base is revealed to hold all the secrets to the outbreak.

So, if they move, what do you think happens in terms of the origin story of the outbreak?

[Rock Daddy]

I think they will unravel it eventually. I have a feeling that something is going to happen to impede their escape though. I don't think they will be able to travel to a new home without coming across a new threat that may lead to new answers. At least that's my feeling.

[VeritableHero]

Michael said in Episode 12 that "we have to leave the tower." I hope it doesn't take them too much longer to get the plan in action. I think if they are able to move to a different location, one that's easier to defend and manage, then they are more likely to be able to focus on other things (like research, planning and *ahem* repopulating).

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

They'll have to move NW a bit and probably past expanded Maller territory. The Arena is north as well, so they could run into more concentrations of the infected.
So, the journey is what will be important. They'll discover plenty during the trip. How they'll travel will play a really big part in how things come to light.

[Rock Daddy]

Hahaha Yeah. That hasn't been mentioned for a while. Speaking of the repopulating, do you think the zombies can breed? Otherwise can't they just stay in the tower until the things start dying off. Then again we don't even know how long they live... or last...?

[Eviebae]

Michael said in Episode 12 that "we have to leave the tower." I hope it doesn't take them too much longer to get the plan in action. I think if they are able to move to a different location, one that's easier to defend and manage, then they are more likely to be able to focus on other things (like research, planning and *ahem* repopulating).

Too many people and zombies know where they are. Plus the building is probably structurally unsafe. I'd love to hear them plan where to go! Unless the zombies are killed off in the colder climates, I think California is the best place to be--no killer blizzards etc. Maybe some place with a lake (water supply), natural defenses and places to grow stuff.

I'd like to see some research done, but it's so risky! So is repopulation (for women) but less so now that they have a doctor. Still, making babies is way down on the list--until they have a modicum of safety having babies wouldn't be fair for babies nor parents.

[MrScott101]

what would be really interesting is if they take over the mallers area, maybe due to internal struggle with the mallers??

[Solanine]

Could happen, especially now the Mallers have captured Lizzy.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

There are at least couple hundred mallers and only 20 plus tower residents. The mallers have better fire power as well. I say the journey north is when they find out more stuff. Being stagnant in the tower is defensive. You only find information/intel on the offense.
They have to get moving. I also think several thread questions/theories will come to light.

The Rat for one: Maybe they'll catch him/her trying to broadcast information about the move or better yet, Michael actually uses his experience and training to set up a trap with false information.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Nik,

I meant to add that they'll also end up "running" into people or information dealing with the Biotech firm.

[VeritableHero]

There are at least couple hundred mallers and only 20 plus tower residents.
I have to disagree. Wasn't the episodes leading up to "The War" indicating that there were only 80-100 mallers? I don't remember ever hearing that it was "at least couple hundred." Last count with the tower was also higher than 20 unless a group died while Michael and Co. were on vacation.


what would be really interesting is if they take over the mallers area, maybe due to internal struggle with the mallers??Also, I disagree. The tower thinks (based on Saul's recon) that the maller's base of operations was poorly chosen. I don't see the tower staying in the area only to clash with the mallers again. Why not go a distance away and avoid confrontation?

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Hero,

The last count I remember was when Kelly and Tommy were introduced. I can't remember who it was.. Pegs or Riley, maybe- said there were about 25. The only people who died were Tommy, Bill (don't think he was part of the count though) the guy "Ink" killed, and the chap who tried to leave on his own.
Victor and Tonya are the newest additions I think.
I'm pretty sure Nik will tell us what's what.
If you find the answer to the mallers number-as in chapter and time hack- let me know. I'll go back and take a listen to the episodes leading up to the "War.'
My numbers are speculation based on a normal Prison's size and population. I shouldn't have stated that as fact.

[nikvoodoo]

Hero,

The last count I remember was when Kelly and Tommy were introduced. I can't remember who it was.. Pegs or Riley, maybe- said there were about 25. The only people who died were Tommy, Bill (don't think he was part of the count though) the guy "Ink" killed, and the chap who tried to leave on his own.
Victor and Tonya are the newest additions I think.
I'm pretty sure Nik will tell us what's what.
If you find the answer to the mallers number-as in chapter and time hack- let me know. I'll go back and take a listen to the episodes leading up to the "War.'
My numbers are speculation based on a normal Prison's size and population. I shouldn't have stated that as fact.

You are correct sir. The last actual headcount I know of is in The New Arrivals. The approximate headcount was just that though: approximate. You also forgot Ryan on the balcony who was killed by the Mallers.

A list of the residents of the Tower (with names) is located here (http://zombiepodcast.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=The+Tower). With the addition of Victor, Tanya, and Hope as well as excluding Lizzy who no longer lives in the Tower the head count is currently 25

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

So what's your Maller count look like?

[nikvoodoo]

So what's your Maller count look like?

not the foggiest clue. We never got an idea of how many Mallers there are. Tommy said something like 40 during the war, but he wasn't able to see all of them. Not to mention they might not have brought everybody with them. If it were me, I would have left some people behind to guard the place I had in case the attack on the place I wanted didn't go how I wanted it to go.

No guarantees that Durai thought that far in advance, but I wouldn't put it past him.

[VeritableHero]

I'll agree with you and admit I was wrong on the estimate of the number in the tower. However, with the mallers I'm thinking there are a lot less than you estimate. Saul indicated that the mallers number "at least a hundred or so ... hard to know how many exactly" when he got back from the recon trip. (Chapter 6, Part 3) Obviously the number was not clear.

We could guess a few hundred made it out of the prison. As far as the total number that got out of prison, Saul also goes on to say that there were a lot of remains of inmates scattered around the area. In addition to zombies ripping them appart, there was disputes between inmates that led to deaths. Add to that the number that would have died assaulting the tower (and the subsequent zombie attack) and I'm guessing we have 50-75 still left at most.

The good news: If Lizzy is being brought back to Scratch then we should know a lot more come Monday. :)

[Yoyo]

Hero,

The last count I remember was when Kelly and Tommy were introduced. I can't remember who it was.. Pegs or Riley, maybe- said there were about 25. The only people who died were Tommy, Bill (don't think he was part of the count though) the guy "Ink" killed, and the chap who tried to leave on his own.
Victor and Tonya are the newest additions I think.
I'm pretty sure Nik will tell us what's what.

If you find the answer to the mallers number-as in chapter and time hack- let me know. I'll go back and take a listen to the episodes leading up to the "War.'
My numbers are speculation based on a normal Prison's size and population. I shouldn't have stated that as fact.

You forgot our friend Paul. I mean out of everyone, he got it the worst being mauled by "Ink", ha.

[nikvoodoo]

... died were Tommy, Bill (don't think he was part of the count though) the guy "Ink" killed, and the chap who tried to leave on his own....



You forgot our friend Paul. I mean out of everyone, he got it the worst being mauled by "Ink", ha.

No he didn't. He just didn't name Paul by name. I dunno, personally I think being shot and killed by the Mallers is worse. I mean, you survive the initial zombie onslaught only to be shot by a bunch of friggin' convicts? Laaaaaaame.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Shoot me please! I don't wanna die with something's teeth or claws in me. Being ripped apart HAS to hurt like all get out!
I'll concede to the maller numbers question of "At least a hundred"
that's on Saul's observation from the outside.

Nik,
I agree that Durai wouldn't be stupid enough to bring the whole kit and kaboodle. The mall is already a really bad place to secure, so I'd guess he'd take with him a pretty small force. After all, his intentions weren't to attack anyway.
I'm thinking about the manpower that has to be out rounding up the deserters and the area they claim as theres, plus the numbers needed to secure the tower.
I just don't see fewer than a couple hundred.

I guess I didn't concede after all huh? ROFL!